MAGIC EV UNICORN?

[Sterillium]

I don’t know much about EVs.

Are any able to offer over 150 miles on a charge that’s less than 12 hours?

[Scrump]

Yes

[sociopath]

Our mustang mach-e does

[KarlMac]

Literally dozens of them.

But you already knew that didn’t you?

[Sterillium]

KarlMac said:

Literally dozens of them.

But you already knew that didn’t you?

Erm, nope. I’ve never even considered an EV before this week, and as I scroll through Autotrader they seem to either need longer than 12 hours to charge, or, charge quickly with less than 150 as the range.

[FWIW]

Why do you want a BEV and what’s your budget?

Also, what’s your usage profile?

Edited by FWIW on Tuesday 12th July 12:51

[imdeman87]

Sterillium said:

Erm, nope. I’ve never even considered an EV before this week, and as I scroll through Autotrader they seem to either need longer than 12 hours to charge, or, charge quickly with less than 150 as the range.

Depends on the car and what type of charger you use.

The latest Kia EV6 charges from 20% to 80% (around 160 miles) in 18-20 minutes if you go to the right charging station.

[McAndy]

Sterillium said:

Erm, nope. I’ve never even considered an EV before this week, and as I scroll through Autotrader they seem to either need longer than 12 hours to charge, or, charge quickly with less than 150 as the range.

Never ever trust the data that AutoTrader puts into their vehicle profiles. Much of it is, in my experience, inaccurate to the point of being libelous!

To your original point, yes, there are many. Would you be able to charge at home? If so, overnight charging on most vehicles will get you to maximum battery capacity / over 200 miles of range (which ever comes first).

If you are seriously considering it, define your criteria more clearly and plenty of us on here can offer advice form experience

[anonymous-user]

There are about a billion variables, but here's a Corsa-e



That data is from on.to, but they say they lift it from pod point, so here's a link to the source

https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th July 13:31

[gmaz]

Sterillium said:

I don’t know much about EVs.

Are any able to offer over 150 miles on a charge that’s less than 12 hours?

Loads... e.g. Hyundai Kona / Kia eNiro will give 300 miles with a 9 hour charge at home, i.e. overnight 64kWh from a 7kW charger.

However, it is very rare that you will be charging from 0% to 100% as most EV owners just keep their car topped up to about 80% unless they need max range for a long journey.

[Moonpie21]

charltjr said:

There are about a billion variables, but here's a Corsa-e



That data is from on.to, but they say they lift it from pod point, so here's a link to the source

https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles

Edited by charltjr on Tuesday 12th July 13:31

Sort of related... the pod-point information contains a statistic "Electric cost/mile", not knowing how they calculate that, but assuming it is the same across the board can that be viewed as how efficient a car is?

If thats the case, it seems the closer to 7p per mile you are doing good and closer to 10p it's style over substance?

A few of particular interest were (all just about 200 - 250mile range):

- Hyundai Ioniq Electric - 5.88p
- Mercedes EQB - 8.52p
- Porsche Taycan - 9.76p
- Audi e-tron 55 - 11.94p

I know there are a load of contributing factors but I was impressed with the EQB a seven seat box (might not be the cost/mile for the 7 seater). Tesla is impressive when you look in context to others (although EQS beats Model S), but that Hyundai... OK I don't think they make it any more, but a decent size 5 seat hatch it's beating teeny tiny city cars.

I suppose it's all a little ridiculous really as 3p over 10,000 miles is another £300 a year in electricity, so the efficiency of a modern electric car is a bit of a daft metric?

I guess the point I am making is you may as well buy the car with the style, range and performance you want as they are all relatively efficient.

[JonnyVTEC]

Forming a list of cars that do not meet the criteria may prove to be a short list than the “unicorn”

[andburg]

I can only think of the Hyundai Ioniq, Honda E and the Citroen Ami as dedicated EV's currently available that claim less than 150 miles. No current EV wont accept a 7kw charger.

Most EV's should see a minimum of 3miles per kwh of battery unless driven in an inneficient manner so anything with a 50kwh battery will do it with a margin of safety and full recharge in 7 hours on a typical home charging point

Edited by andburg on Tuesday 12th July 16:01

[McAndy]

andburg said:

I can only think of the Hyundai Ioniq, Honda E and the Citroen Ami as dedicated EV's currently available that claim less than 150 miles. No current EV wont accept a 7kw charger.

Most EV's should see a minimum of 3miles per kwh of battery unless driven in an inneficient manner so anything with a 50kwh battery will do it with a margin of safety and full recharge in 7 hours on a typical home charging point

Edited by andburg on Tuesday 12th July 16:01

Ioniq is more. The original 28 kWh battery pack is 174 miles (we see close to that in the summer, even over it once!), and the facelifted model is 193 miles from a 38 kWh battery pack.

Also the original Ioniq has just been taken off sale.

[Sterillium]

Lots of very useful help - thank you. I feel like the fundamental mistake I made was taking any notice of what the battery / charging times day on AT!

[codenamecueball]

Sterillium said:

Lots of very useful help - thank you. I feel like the fundamental mistake I made was taking any notice of what the battery / charging times day on AT!

Yes - not hugely useful as it varies between WLTP range and the previous one, meaning a Leaf launch edition is rated at 200+ miles when it'll struggle to do 150 in the real world. Best to make a shortlist of models then read reviews to see what it's like in real life.

[ChocolateFrog]

Literally all of them (ok there's probably a few that can't although they'd have to be super inefficient like a big SUV EV doing less than 3 miles per Kwh).

Fit a 16a commando plug on the outside of your house for £30 or 40 quid and a £150 granny charger will get you 43kwh in 12 hours, which is more than enough for 150 miles in most EVs.

You could fit a 32A plug, for 7.2kwh charging but a bit less useful if you plan on taking your granny lead with you at times.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Tuesday 12th July 17:55

[off_again]

Sterillium said:

KarlMac said:

Literally dozens of them.

But you already knew that didn’t you?

Erm, nope. I’ve never even considered an EV before this week, and as I scroll through Autotrader they seem to either need longer than 12 hours to charge, or, charge quickly with less than 150 as the range.

You use an EV in a different way than with an ICE car. And expecting them to behave the same isnt reasonable at the moment - and hence the comparisons like that arent really fair.

With an EV you usually dont charge to full when its empty like an ICE. You charge to what you need and usually dont got above 90% or less than 10% - though personal situations are obviously different. Most modern EV's get 200+ miles on a charge, so you just charge to what you need. You have only 80 miles left but need to do a 120 mile round trip - charge enough to give you 140 miles and then come home with what is left. Thats typically something like 10-15 minutes charging at a decent point.

Or, if your EV does 200 miles on a charge and your trip is 180 miles - you could risk it, but you could also go one way, charge at your destination somewhere and then come back again - with some range left. You get the point - charge to what you need, use what you have and top-up as you need it.

And if you need to do 400 miles a day without stopping and can only charge at home - yeah, an EV isnt for you..... get a diesel.

[Sterillium]

That's really useful - thank you - I hadn't even thought about how my "petrol station habits" would convert into "charging habits".

I would be doing a 60-mile each-way commute, but with no chance of charging until I was home, so I was imagining I'd stick it on charge every night if you see what I mean - hence seeing the 24hr+ charge times on AT as an issue.

No idea on budget, because the reason I'm thinking about it purely comes from a chat where our CEO floated the idea of providing me with an EV as an alternative to letting me buy all my fuel on the company credit card. I'd never looked at EVs before.

[dgswk]

Sterillium said:

That's really useful - thank you - I hadn't even thought about how my "petrol station habits" would convert into "charging habits".

I would be doing a 60-mile each-way commute, but with no chance of charging until I was home, so I was imagining I'd stick it on charge every night if you see what I mean - hence seeing the 24hr+ charge times on AT as an issue.

No idea on budget, because the reason I'm thinking about it purely comes from a chat where our CEO floated the idea of providing me with an EV as an alternative to letting me buy all my fuel on the company credit card. I'd never looked at EVs before.

I do a 102 mile EACH way commute, 3ish days a week. My Polestar p1sses it, even in Winter. Costs me about £3 in electric if I solely use the overnight tariff, £9 if I don't, so usually somewhere in between. Even when my tariff ends, I'll be somewhere between £4.50 - £20 per commute. Call it a tenner, 5p a mile.

Just make sure you get a 7kw charger at home (circa £1k), that's essential, any 60-75kwh battery will charge 0-100% in 10-12hrs overnight. But with a 120 mile round trip, you'll never empty it completely. EV's are built for this and you'll save some serious cash, especially as a company car / salary sacrifice car.

I was £25-30 in diesel per trip and that's 12 months ago. Heard the cost of fuel has moved on since....

Oh, and goes quite well off the lights too

Edited by dgswk on Tuesday 12th July 19:42