Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[whirlybird]

Nomme de Plum said:

whirlybird said:

And now for something completely different:
Having watched with great amusement the Citroen Ami falling over in Monaco, ( And yes ICE cars fall over too) 1/ What retard even thought what a great form of transport that was ???? and 2/ how about a pre Monaco F1 Race in them .

I'd rather see a McMurtry Spéirling at Monaco.

Do you remember the Isetta 3wheeler? My Mum had one, used to take me to school when it was too wet to cycle. I think there is now an electric version.

I recall a customer of mine who had a then brand new Mercedes A Class (1st Generation) the reg was 'A14 ELK'

[whirlybird]

bigothunter said:

whirlybird said:

I recall a customer of mine who had a then brand new Mercedes A Class (1st Generation) the reg was 'A14 ELK'

Only in theory...

??? The gist of the post was regarding cars that fell over, hence the reference to the failed Elk Test by the then new A-Class Merc !!!!!

[whirlybird]

bigothunter said:

Too cryptic for a man who previously quoted Python...

Anne Elk - geddit?

NO, sorry,

[whirlybird]

bigothunter said:

whirlybird said:

bigothunter said:

Too cryptic for a man who previously quoted Python...

Anne Elk - geddit?

NO, sorry,

I'm sure you are in the right age group (ie older) to appreciate Python...

Google is your friend. If you can be bothered, try using it on Anne Elk

Aha, your post was thin at the start, fat in the middle and thin at the end !!!!!!!!!
( Now let's get back to cars that fall over !!!! )

Edited by whirlybird on Wednesday 29th March 10:13

[whirlybird]

alcatrazarmando said:

Because, anyone with a braincell can see they are a scam? hence the pushback Germany and Italy and it seems everyone is doing on that ridiculous date of 2030 to ban Combustion engine car (let’s not forget said cars puke out less than 1 percent of global emissions in blighty)

Was it not Bojo said that combustion engine cars were banned over a 2-minute speech - with covid a neat distraction in the background – no words said – he probably was getting drunk that weekend in celebration.

Having industrial experience designing battery products and have had dealings with tier 1 suppliers it’s absurd to think batteries are good for the planet, half a ton per EV give or take - get out of it.

The trouble is we are surrounded by the science now - all that matters what they say - if you upset the believers you are frowned upon and automatically a conspiracy theorist. Its like everyone is a bot or something following a leader – the science.

I will stick to being a conspiracy freak rather than listening to bs - a V8 petrol car can probably get you over 400 miles on a full tank of juice - dream world for a EV, small 1.4 litre petrol cars or such have little emissions and will serve you better than a 40k EV

The entire thing revolves around net zero which clearly is some controlling scam - EVs are inherently digital also so much easier for gov bods to control - 15-minute commutes bla bla bla - banning combustion cars out since the 1800s entirely makes zero sense - if they said to consider buying them if you live in an urban environment itself that would make some sense but the total banning worldwide reeks of corruption
It’s like diesel gate all over again - people never learn

Trust the Science ™

Edited by alcatrazarmando on Wednesday 29th March 19:53

[whirlybird]

SpeckledJim said:

Wait, you're a scientist? Great. You'll be on top of all the issues and immune to bullst.

I'm not sure why the weight of the battery is relevant, but I bet you do.

An EV battery is half a ton of stuff and after 150,000 miles you've still got all the stuff.

150,000 miles of petrol weighs 11.8 tons and at the end, it's all gone.

So I suppose my two questions are - why are we weighing all this stuff? And why is losing more stuff better?

So here's the rub !, you either burn 11.8 of stuff in you ICE car, or you burn other stuff, Coal, Gas, Atoms, in an alternative venue, then sent that 'stuff' down wire and cables to your EV, whatever happens, stuff is burn somewhere.
{To make anything you burn stuff FFS, Wind Turbines are not made from Unicorn Crap or Mermaids Scales.}

Edited by whirlybird on Thursday 30th March 11:43

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

Offshore wind turbines have lifetime carbon footprint of 6 g/kWh or 2 g/mile where used to charge a BEV.

Lifetime means production, installation, operation, maintenance and end-of-life decommissioning.

Petrol cars are around 140 g/mile for fuel alone.

Perspective, Whirly, perspective.

So what about all the cabling from W/T to Shore, then either Underground or Overground to get to your lovely new Scalextric toy now sitting on your driveway, waiting to be fed ???? From the North Norfolk Coast ( Where I live ) to your house/flat/yurt still requires some form of energy usage to deliver it.
Oh, then there are the ships to maintain the W/T farms & the staff to man then, who probably drive ICE cars to work.???

[whirlybird]

OK all you clever dicks
Work out how long it will take to get into back into the 'green' with this project

Offshore wind farm, UK, hornsea project
Construction has begun on what will become on the worlds largest offshore windfarm, Hornsea Project One- which will be the first to exceed 1GW in capacity. Power company Ørsted, formerly DONG Energy, has two operational wind farms off the east coast; Westermost Rough and Lincs. Race Bank, nearing the end of construction, will be officially opened later this year. Hornsea Project One and Two will follow, and combined will generate enough clean electricity for over 2.3 million UK home.

The Hornsea Project One, will be completed 120km off the Yorkshire coast, covering an area of approximately 407km2. When completed in 2020, the project will provide enough power for over 1 million homes.
The UK is the company’s largest market and it currently.

At present, construction involves the installation of the project’s 174 monopiles essentially large cylindrical steel tubes which extend into the seabed and serve as anchors for the turbines. Construction is currently being predominantly carried out by two ships- Innovation, a jack-up vessel which is installing the monopiles and; A2Sea’s vessel Sea Installer- which is set to join the project this March, installing the 7 megawatt (MW), 190m (623ft) tall wind turbines and turbine blades. The works at the substation site in North Killingholme are nearing completion and we have successfully moved and installed all the Supergrid transformers, reactors and electrical components that will operate the substation. These components will be undergoing electrical testing and commissioning over the next few months.”

More to come…..

Ørsted is setting itself ambitious targets. Once Hornsea Project One is completed the company wants to construct another two windfarms. Hornsea Project Two will power up to 1.6 million homes, whilst Hornsea Project Three will follow shortly after.

Duncan Clark, programme director of the project is enthusiastic about the benefits Hornsea Project One, and eventually Two and Three, will bring:

“After years of planning it is fantastic to see the initial stages of offshore construction begin. My thanks to the teams working day and night on this significant milestone.”

“Onshore, we are continuing to construct the East Coast Hub which will serve as an operations and maintenance base for our existing wind farms in the area and both Hornsea Project One, and Project Two which we took a final investment decision on last year. These wind farms will not only greatly contribute to the UK’s goal of decarbonising our energy system, they are also bringing jobs and investment to Grimsby and the North East.”

[whirlybird]

limpsfield said:

Alan? Is that you?

This all makes a lot more sense now.

Depends which ALAN your talking about ????, which one do you think I am ???

[whirlybird]

Hanging, So am I ?

[whirlybird]

zj2016 said:

I was conned into an EV. Only 544bhp, magic carpet like ride and significantly lower running costs that the petroleum equivalent. Proper conned I would say!

What kind of bicycle do you ride?

No, you were not conned into buying an EV,( that was your or your bosses choice) but the general public are being conned into thinking that by buying an EV you will stop the glaciers from melting, and the Maldives from sinking !!! What will help is people buying less crap, (mostly Chinese) & having too many sproggs that the planet cannot sustain. You and your Tesla/I-Pace/E-Tron makes no Fuing difference whatsoever, what may have helped is not buying a new car to start with and keep your old shed.

[whirlybird]

And now back to the subject of EV's

Having watched numerous dash-cam incidents on YT, I don't ever recall seeing an EV on its roof ???? I guess that's because the 1/2 ton battery packs lowers the C of G !!!!!

[whirlybird]

In Past, present or future, Hammond championed the all-electric Concept One (Future) against Clarkson in a Lamborghini Aventador S (Past) and May in a Honda NSX (Present). The Concept One curb-stomped the NSX and the Aventador in the drag race, but lost against Clarkson's Aventador during the hill climb challenge in Switzerland. Furthermore, moments after crossing the finish line, Hammond crashed the Concept One and broke a leg, requiring air-lift to a Swiss hospital, while the car continued to catch fire for five days.

Wel,Well, Well, a car staying on fire for 5 days (FFS). So how many Rimacs need to be built, then used, to compensate for the pollution that one car created.

[whirlybird]

bigothunter said:

I drove 270 miles back from Wales last Sunday. We stopped for a 20 minute break on route. I would have been nervous keeping to that schedule in a BEV but perhaps my lack of confidence is misplaced

So did I on Monday, Cardiff to Kings Lynn, BUT, I stopped because I wanted to, not because I had to.

[whirlybird]

starsky67 said:

I just did the Pistonheads track evening at Brands Hatch. 50 miles there, 1 1/2 hours on track flat out and then cruised back (in self driving mode) arriving home with a comfortable 10 miles to spare.

power consumption on track was 1.4 m/kWh compared to 2.8-3.2 normally, it shows how effective regenerative braking really is.

You couldn't do that in a lot of track cars.

I'll post a video up when its finished loading, EV's can be surprisingly fun on track.

EV's don't feel like a con from where I am sitting!

EV's per-say are not a con, it's the false impresion that by buying/using an EV that somehow your saving the planet, that's the con.

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

I hope you also allowed the man walking in front of your car waving the red flag something to eat and drink.

Oh, just when I thought we were getting along, you go and spoil it. Now off to bed early with the hot milk and cookies, and no using the internet under the covers with your torch.

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

Nah, wasn't me who spoiled it, just my response to you once again repeating your baseless claim that 'EVs are a con'.

OK, you then explain to my why they a NOT a con, (before your hot milk gets cold)

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

I did that at length at the beginning of the thread, specifically in reply to you.

You didn't like what I had to say, so we have been agreeing to disagree since, hence the banter, no.

Hey, yes, it's only a bit of banter. & yes the next modern I buy will probably be hybrid, , but tomorrow I'm off to buy my first Morgan 4/4,( that's only 31 years old, my other toy is 88 years old)

Edited by whirlybird on Wednesday 12th April 22:03

[whirlybird]

DonkeyApple said:

He looks it as well. Did he come with the car or was that a separate purchase?

Now, Now, DA, for me posting on PH is just a bit of fun, I gather for you though, its compulsory !!!!

[whirlybird]

bigothunter said:

Whirlybird is 88 years ahead of the game

Ah, but as this website is called PISTONHEADS , imagine how many pistons and heads my toy has used in 88 years, 2 heads, original and Riccardo, and 4 sets of pistons, so that's not a huge amount of damage to the planet.