Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

Erm, no. The impact of the EV one is substantially lower. The point is that it's easier to get people to change drivetrain than it is to get them to downsize to a Smart.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Maybe I should have titled the thread to:

Are EV SUV's the biggest con on the planet ???

As I've said before I am entitled to my opinion, as are all the other posters, but I am yet to be convinced
the filling the planet with EV transport, will solve global warming for several generations.

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

Erm, no. The impact of the EV one is substantially lower. The point is that it's easier to get people to change drivetrain than it is to get them to downsize to a Smart.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Maybe I should have titled the thread to:

Are EV SUV's the biggest con on the planet ???

As I've said before I am entitled to my opinion, as are all the other posters, but I am yet to be convinced
the filling the planet with EV transport, will solve global warming for several generations.

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

You really need to get over yourself.
You've convinced yourself that running a 100 year old car gives you the moral high ground.
If you want to take that ground then stop driving, period.
Some people buy SUVs, some people don't.
But in your mind, suddenly EVERYONE is filing the world with EV SUVs.
An EV SUV will obviously consume more energy per mile than an EV hatch.
As an example , a VW ID3 requires 270 Wh/mile, the BMW iX requires 330 Wh/mile.
Consuming 20% more energy per mile for a much larger car doesn't suddenly make it the biggest con on the planet, it just makes it a better choice for someone who might need that extra space.

Typically you've missed the point, anybody buying a new car ICE, Hybrid or EV will not stop Polar Bears drowning or the Maldives disappearing.
But, the sellers of said EV cars imply that they are saving the Amazon Rainforest & Pandas.
+ driving my 100 year old car is such fun, come to the Silverstone Classic and join me for a lap of the GP circuit.

[whirlybird]

gangzoom said:

I don't really care about polar bears, but what I do care about is two heat waves in the UK one summer, and wild fires now becoming a reality here.

You are 100% right, the 'con on the planet' isn't to do with EVs, its ALL cars in general for personal transportation.

If you are proposing we BAN ALL new cars to be sold for personal transportation, you might get my vote at the next election, but equally living in the real world I would actually probably vote for a personal tax reduction versus any 'green' agendas.

Given your view points, I suggest you start a new thread called 'Ban all new cars now' in the General Gassing section and see how you get on .

To be honest I expected this thread to run out of steam after a couple of pages, but seem to have hit a nerve somewhere. I love cars, raced cars, restored cars, and spannered on Le Mans Porsches, + punched a few holes in the sky when my Pilots licence was valid, all powered by ICE motors.Currently even looking at renewing my PPL on guess what, an all electric aircraft. So as far as the tread title says I just asked the question, no more , no less.

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NMNeil said:

The longer you keep an ICE car the more the components wear, such as valve guides, piston rings and oil seals, causing more pollution as the engine ages. EV's don't have that issue.

Ahum, EV's have tyres, discs, pads, (all sending particles into the atmosphere ) wheel bearings, cv joints, etc etc,( mechanical bits that can and do wear out) +
possibly ??? Carbon brushes ( Or do they use brushless motors, over to the experts ) oh and batteries, that I believe have a finite life !!!

[whirlybird]

GT9 said:

I doubt that I've missed the point, given I was the one who explained how EVs will make no difference to gross carbon footprint in the immediate term.
Methinks that you would engender a lot more credibility if you didn't keep resorting to tired old tropes about EV being a con, SUVs are evil, saving pandas, rainforests, polar bears, etc.
On this thread you've just jumped on the usual bandwagon of Tesla-bashing, BMW-bashing, SUV-bashing and just-about-anything-bashing, because that's what you think the cool kids do.
You're a little late to the party though and you are not adding anything to the discussion by regurgitating the same stuff that's been coming up for probably 5 years or more.

I bow to your greater knowledge of EV's & your green credentials. I asked the question and 23 pages later its still getting a response.
As Oscar Wilde would say ; "Being late to the party is better than not getting an invite in the first place".
Yes I do think ICE, Hybrid and EV SUV's are a huge waste of money, little Johnny can still get to school by Smart/VW Up/Kia Picanto etc, but 'Karen' wants to look smug outside the school gates in front of her mates.
At my time of life being called a Cool Kid is also refreshing too, & you are entitled to your thoughts ,but for me, I am too.

[whirlybird]

andy43 said:

+1.
Sold Model S in June, immediately replaced with a 3.3 litre petrol Kia Stinger (6 pot - tick) and we just came back from a stress free 3500 mile trip through Europe in it. The concept (stop laughing at the back) of just driving wherever you want then stopping wherever you need to refuel with fuel that’s available literally anywhere was something we’d really missed. Very very easy compared to the two previous Tesla trips.
Today we’ve picked up a Honda E which will be replacing the Skoda Citigo I’ve been using for local stuff… so we’re back to ICE big car and electric small car. This I think is the correct two car set up.

Sounds to me the perfect scenario, get where you want anytime + save the planet , happy days.
20 years ago wife and I had a Smart each, her for work, me for school run and business, then weekends away for all 3 in the motorhome, (The business was motorhome accessories for motorhomes/campervans etc.)

[whirlybird]

tamore said:

you're mashing together so many gripes, yet the (deliberately provocative) thread title was quite specific.

Edited by tamore on Saturday 13th August 16:06

If it wasn't "Deliberately Provocative," nobody would read it, that's the point & you still are !!!!!

[whirlybird]

tamore said:

so if you want to provoke debate about EVs, why rant on about SUVs, Karens, etc like a teenager having a hissy fit?

and still here because in amongst the tired old bullst and links to articles covering 1 in a million events, even you have come up with the odd salient point worth discussing, and others have interesting real life experience to share.

I am honored by your presence, thankyou

[whirlybird]

As the OP I was hoping to get post 500, but quite honestly I need my beauty sleep off to bed soon.
What seems very apparent, as somebody who only posts occasionally ,is that there seems to be several posters, ( you know who you are) that post into the many thousands !!!! They seem to have an opinion on just about any subject that is put out there.

I think it was Oscar Wilde, but it may have been Kim Wilde who said > Opinions are like a*s*h*l*s , everybody has got one , and they all stink , but some stink more than others < !!!

This thread needs to finish on a high, so I,ll be out on my Electric Bike soon, instead of using my ICE car, so just saved another Polar Bear from drowning, Oh, such bliss.

[whirlybird]

TheDeuce said:

whirlybird said:

As the OP I was hoping to get post 500, but quite honestly I need my beauty sleep off to bed soon.
What seems very apparent, as somebody who only posts occasionally ,is that there seems to be several posters, ( you know who you are) that post into the many thousands !!!! They seem to have an opinion on just about any subject that is put out there.

You put the subject 'out there' and asked for opinions you muppet!

I rest my case

[whirlybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngwieh3s_fw

More fuel for the fire !!!!! ( made from Bio products )

The comments section is interesting,
come on keyboard warriors, let your fingers do the talking

[whirlybird]

EV and Alternative Fuels

Interesting reading some of the other threads ref the above title, & see the core of 'the empty vessels' are making the most noise again.

[whirlybird]

Just a thought, can a fully charged EV "jump start" a dead/low battery EV so it could limp home or to the nearest charging point ???, ie; are the leads generic at both ends, only asking out of academic interest.

[whirlybird]

The Kia EV6 'GT'

just seen this and it looks like it can charge other vehicles and/or 'camping accessories'

[whirlybird]

DonkeyApple said:

Is that just a 12v take off though?

Just been back to the Kia website and yes probably only 12v as the photo shows a E- Bike ?

My old core business was trailers for Motorhomes/RV's etc so you can carry a small car, just opens up the idea of 'Wild Camping" and using a small EV as a power pack !!!!

Edited by whirlybird on Thursday 25th August 18:07

[whirlybird]

DonkeyApple said:

Which would also mean we might finally get out much promised flying cars.

Can you imagine all the tw*ts you see in car crash videos in the sky, it would be raining Russian Ladas all day long, As an ex pilot, I can actually see E-Aircraft as a viable form of transport, ie no change in weight due to 'fuel burn' so long as its near airport operation such as initial flight training there's mileage in E A/c

Edited by whirlybird on Tuesday 30th August 16:22

[whirlybird]

DonkeyApple said:

It'll just be a 4 prop electric drone where you open your local pub app and their drone comes and lands on your lawn, you hop on and it drops you off at the pub. The app will control everything.

It's the only viable use for a personal flying vehicle.

The true risk is from people being dropped home after closing and having a mid flight pee. If one is walking home you'd just need to remember an umbrella.

Don't forget Just Eat/Dominoes/Nando App on route, but if you throw up in the back of the drone it dumps you from 2000" over a lake !!!!
Ahh; don't you just love what the future holds.

[whirlybird]

Posted on Facebook a couple weeks ago. There is a farmer in Iowa (IIRC) that farms 10,000 acres in 2 counties. He has a contract with John Deere to test out new equipment designs.

One day he got a phone call from John Deere. They had a new all electric combine they wanted him to test. He told them (I'm paraphrasing) "When the corn is ready to be picked my crew works 24 hours a day until it is done. How do I recharge the thing out in the field 20 miles from the shop? How long does it take? With my diesel equipment I can just pull up a tanker truck." There was silence on the phone for several minutes. "Uh, we'll get back to you".

The moral of the story is that these Green Initiativers don't think things through all the way.

[whirlybird]

Zcd1 said:

whirlybird said:

The moral of the story is that these Green Initiativers don't think things through all the way.

The moral of THIS story is that you're just here to post nonsense trying to stir things up....

Zcd1, Firstly, don't shoot the messenger, I only posted what was on another serious website, &
secondly I really dont give a t*ss what you think of my post, at least its prompted discussion, some of which
I actually agree with.