Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[whirlybird]

tamore said:

whirlybird said:

Just a thought, as this thread is getting boring>>>>> ARE HEAT SOURCE PUMPS A CON TOO <<<<<<<<< Discus !!!!

Too? that would suggest that in some way EVs have been proven to be a con in here.

EV's are too expensive, don't travel as far as promised/suggested, have poor national recharging outlets and still pollute the air we breath, with excessive tyre wear and brake dust etc. So, if you've spunked your own or your bosses cash on one off these 'alternatively powered transport systems", then as far as I'm concerned then yes, you have been conned.

[dvs_dave]

whirlybird said:

dvs_dave said:

whirlybird said:

Well guys, guess who's back. Hurrah I hear you all cry !!!!! Where has he been for the past week.????

You'll never guess what happened on the way to the Forum ???

I got banned for 7 days.



You would think I got banned for spending time out in Romania,Driving a Gold Plated Bugatti & getting girls to get their kit off on a webcam, all while having a dodgy hair transplant in Turkey.

But No, none of the above I got banned,................ wait for it,

FOR POSTING A SPOOF CAR SALES ADVERT BY 'HARRY ENFIELD & CHUMS '( Currently available on YT )

Who are you, again?

The guy that got you and your chums to get this thread close to 6000 posts, that's who I am. Sorry, but who are you exactly ???

[vikingaero]

Strange thread this.

Anyway I just popped in here, after seeing my sister at Mothers Day yesterday, she's visiting the Lake District in her Model S at Easter. I reminded her of the chaos in the Lakes and nearby motorway services of the 3 hour queues last year. I predict the same this year.

[SWoll]

vikingaero said:

Strange thread this.

Anyway I just popped in here, after seeing my sister at Mothers Day yesterday, she's visiting the Lake District in her Model S at Easter. I reminded her of the chaos in the Lakes and nearby motorway services of the 3 hour queues last year. I predict the same this year.

This is why we'll be dropping the do it all EV this year and moving to a 2 car setup. EV city car for everyday local stuff and an ICE for high days and holidays. Life's too short for charging stress when you're trying to have a fun weekend/week away and need petrol back in my life after 4 years of EV only.

[AstonZagato]

whirlybird said:

EV's are too expensive, don't travel as far as promised/suggested, have poor national recharging outlets and still pollute the air we breath, with excessive tyre wear and brake dust etc. So, if you've spunked your own or your bosses cash on one off these 'alternatively powered transport systems", then as far as I'm concerned then yes, you have been conned.

Yawn
Most of those points have been comprehensively debunked in this thread many times. The ones that haven't have had compelling counter examples posted.
I'm not sure if you are a parody account (you trot out all the hackneyed tropes), low in comprehension (ignoring the facts laid out), been abused by an EV owner (show me on the dolly where he touched you), or a troll (your delight at getting a reaction and your jumping back in to stir the pot suggests this is the most likely).

[DonkeyApple]

vikingaero said:

Strange thread this.

Anyway I just popped in here, after seeing my sister at Mothers Day yesterday, she's visiting the Lake District in her Model S at Easter. I reminded her of the chaos in the Lakes and nearby motorway services of the 3 hour queues last year. I predict the same this year.

Only for the same folk who don't think to stop earlier in the journey and confuse electricity with petrol.

If I were doing one of those anomalous long drives that coincides with when half the nation is on the move then I'd just aim to do several stops to top back up to full as opposed to running to empty and wildly hoping there's a working or available charger at the last chance saloon.

[Maracus]

Lots of Instavolt chargepoints in and around most Lake's towns, mostly at Booths supermarkets.

Not the cheapest, but hugely reliable.

[bigothunter]

SWoll said:

This is why we'll be dropping the do it all EV this year and moving to a 2 car setup. EV city car for everyday local stuff and an ICE for high days and holidays. Life's too short for charging stress when you're trying to have a fun weekend/week away and need petrol back in my life after 4 years of EV only.

Wow Swoll, that's a change of heart. Even once-staunch EV advocates are having reservations...

[DonkeyApple]

Got to go for silly petrol cars while they're still about. Having one for the less common larger journeys does make perfect sense on more than one level.

Obviously, if Swoll buys some diesel crap box then he'll need burning.

[SWoll]

bigothunter said:

SWoll said:

This is why we'll be dropping the do it all EV this year and moving to a 2 car setup. EV city car for everyday local stuff and an ICE for high days and holidays. Life's too short for charging stress when you're trying to have a fun weekend/week away and need petrol back in my life after 4 years of EV only.

Wow Swoll, that's a change of heart. Even once-staunch EV advocates are having reservations...

Change of circumstances rather than heart. Both kids are now driving themselves and myself and the wife now WFH FT so our usage has changed massively in the past 12 months. We also plan on a lot more trips away with just the 2 of us now the kids are older.

EV suited is brilliantly for a few years, but not so much any longer. Will still have one for the local daily grind though as that's where they are unbeatable companions IME.

Pure pragmatism.

DonkeyApple said:

Got to go for silly petrol cars while they're still about. Having one for the less common larger journeys does make perfect sense on more than one level.

Obviously, if Swoll buys some diesel crap box then he'll need burning.

Not a chance DA. I've got a list of petrol cars I feel I've missed out on in the pursuit of practicality over the last 10-15 years. All have at least 6 cylinders, with most being 8 or above.

The question is where to start. I'm thinking F Type R, Aston Vantage or Maserati Granturismo.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 20th March 12:12

[tamore]

got our 2nd trip which is going to require charging on the public network on wednesday. means a stop on the M6 north at possibly the obvious one off the telly, so will be interesting to see what we find. even the most excitable EV advocate recognises that the charging network is lagging now. it'll get there though.

take DVD rental back in the day. if you wanted the latest release on a friday night, good luck. now with streaming, it almost seems ridiculous. battery tech and charging network will make this this case too.

[SWoll]

tamore said:

got our 2nd trip which is going to require charging on the public network on wednesday. means a stop on the M6 north at possibly the obvious one off the telly, so will be interesting to see what we find. even the most excitable EV advocate recognises that the charging network is lagging now. it'll get there though.

I assume you are referring to me.

My message has always been that if you are able to charge at home and the vast majority of your trips are within the absolute range of the vehicle they do a fantastic job.

Unable to comment on the state of public charging as so rarely use it. What I do know is that even at its best it offers a level of restriction that doesn't suit our intended usage going forward.

We're off to Dorset for a long weekend at the end of the month for the wifes birthday, I'm already having to consider where to stop and charge, and would rather not have to worry about it in future with that kind of trip becoming a far more regular occurrence. Sitting in a McDonalds car park for an hour does rather put the dampers on a romantic weekend away.

[tamore]

SWoll said:

tamore said:

got our 2nd trip which is going to require charging on the public network on wednesday. means a stop on the M6 north at possibly the obvious one off the telly, so will be interesting to see what we find. even the most excitable EV advocate recognises that the charging network is lagging now. it'll get there though.

I assume you are referring to me.

My message has always been that if you are able to charge at home and the vast majority of your trips are within the absolute range of the vehicle they do a fantastic job.

Unable to comment on the state of public charging as so rarely use it. What I do know is that even at its best it offers a level of restriction that doesn't suit our intended usage going forward.

We're off to Dorset for a long weekend at the end of the month for the wifes birthday, I'm already having to consider where to stop and charge, and would rather not have to worry about it in future with that kind of trip becoming a far more regular occurrence. Sitting in a McDonalds car park for an hour does rather put the dampers on a romantic weekend away.

not you in particular, but myself, the youtube types like EVM, Fully Charged, and plenty of others on here. we are at iPhone 2 levels of development, if that's not a clumsy analogy.

[whirlybird]

As the core of my OP was the retrofitting of Electric Motors into classic cars, I have had my faith in humanity restored. It appears there is somebody on YT
retrofitting Corvette Motors into Tesla's, oh such bliss

[DonkeyApple]

SWoll said:

Not a chance DA. I've got a list of petrol cars I feel I've missed out on in the pursuit of practicality over the last 10-15 years. All have at least 6 cylinders, with most being 8 or above.

The question is where to start. I'm thinking F Type R, Aston Vantage or Maserati Granturismo.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 20th March 12:12

Start with the Maserati. When the bills become too annoying then move to the Aston and after a while when those bills start to get annoying just settle nicely into the F Type which is the best of the three but if you start with it you'll always want the kick in the balls from the Maserati and Aston garages.

I've a few more years of needing a practical wagon so looking at S4 avants with the plan to maybe add an Emira or similar toy later on. Having just sold the house with the big garages I need to get some built at the new place first.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the trusty Golf Turd to die like an overleveraged son in law waits for his in-laws to peg out and then it's straight to an i3 for local chores and hooning. The 120D still has too much life left but that's also marked for death and replacing with an i3 for the wife (donor car for mine)

[SWoll]

DonkeyApple said:

SWoll said:

Not a chance DA. I've got a list of petrol cars I feel I've missed out on in the pursuit of practicality over the last 10-15 years. All have at least 6 cylinders, with most being 8 or above.

The question is where to start. I'm thinking F Type R, Aston Vantage or Maserati Granturismo.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 20th March 12:12

Start with the Maserati. When the bills become too annoying then move to the Aston and after a while when those bills start to get annoying just settle nicely into the F Type which is the best of the three but if you start with it you'll always want the kick in the balls from the Maserati and Aston garages.

I've a few more years of needing a practical wagon so looking at S4 avants with the plan to maybe add an Emira or similar toy later on. Having just sold the house with the big garages I need to get some built at the new place first.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the trusty Golf Turd to die like an overleveraged son in law waits for his in-laws to peg out and then it's straight to an i3 for local chores and hooning. The 120D still has too much life left but that's also marked for death and replacing with an i3 for the wife (donor car for mine)

An i3S is the planned daily EV for us. so seems we are very much in agreement.

I know what you mean about the 3 options above, but my thinking is that the F-Type R (coupe) is the ultimate modern Jag sportscar for me, whereas as the budget improves in the future a GT MC Stradale or Aston Vanquish would be the preferred models from the other marques.

[gangzoom]

bigothunter said:

Wow Swoll, that's a change of heart. Even once-staunch EV advocates are having reservations...

Your probably find most of us on here who have owned an EV any length of time come to the same conclusion, one of each is the best balance at present. With EV refuling now costing the same as petrol you have to really love EVs to choose one over a combustion car for long trips.

The Apls are melting but the reality is most of us care far amount personal convience as long as we don't end up flooded.

[Fastlane]

gangzoom said:

Your probably find most of us on here who have owned an EV any length of time come to the same conclusion, one of each is the best balance at present. With EV refuling now costing the same as petrol you have to really love EVs to choose one over a combustion car for long trips.

The Apls are melting but the reality is most of us care far amount personal convience as long as we don't end up flooded.

I haven't, but that's because I have a Tesla. My wife has a Kona EV and I am 3 months into my second Model 3. We both do c12k miles per year, mainly local and charged at home. Both will do an easy 240 miles per charge but to your point, for long journeys we take the Tesla. We just came back from a 700 mile round trip yesterday and whilst Superchargers are much busier, I am still never going back to an ICE daily. We'll replace the Kona with another EV too.

I am surprised that people pay well over £100k for a premium non-Tesla EV and are happy not having a dedicated charging network.

[off_again]

SWoll said:

This is why we'll be dropping the do it all EV this year and moving to a 2 car setup. EV city car for everyday local stuff and an ICE for high days and holidays. Life's too short for charging stress when you're trying to have a fun weekend/week away and need petrol back in my life after 4 years of EV only.

Exactly the same reasons why we sold our i3. EV was great for the time and situation we had it. Worked brilliantly. Lots and lots of short trips in and around the local area. The occasional longer one but less than 100 miles in total. All good. Kids have left and no need for an EV at the moment. I am lucky enough to have the ability to change and sold the i3 for the same price I paid for it. Great, take the win and move on.

Now things are shifting again with our lives, a longer range EV actually fits well and we are looking at options. Its all about the use cases - and if it works, its great. When it doesnt, time for a change. Seems utterly fair to me!

[SteveKTMer]

Fastlane said:

... I am still never going back to an ICE daily.

Just out of interest, what do you think are the most compelling reasons to stay with an EV ?