Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[oop north]

Merc 450 said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Merc 450 said:

I'll stick to my V8's thanks there's a Mustang 5.0GT Darkhorse with 500hp coming next year and when the Range Rover sport needs to go i'll be going for the 4.4 Diesel This is a PETROLHEADS website after all

ICE mate till I die

Where’s the parrot whoosh when you want it

[Nomme de Plum]

oop north said:

Merc 450 said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Merc 450 said:

I'll stick to my V8's thanks there's a Mustang 5.0GT Darkhorse with 500hp coming next year and when the Range Rover sport needs to go i'll be going for the 4.4 Diesel This is a PETROLHEADS website after all

ICE mate till I die

Where’s the parrot whoosh when you want it

Taycan around Dunsfold 1:18

Mustang 1:30 ish if i recall correctly

[Merc 450]

Nomme de Plum said:

oop north said:

Merc 450 said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Merc 450 said:

I'll stick to my V8's thanks there's a Mustang 5.0GT Darkhorse with 500hp coming next year and when the Range Rover sport needs to go i'll be going for the 4.4 Diesel This is a PETROLHEADS website after all

ICE mate till I die

Where’s the parrot whoosh when you want it

Taycan around Dunsfold 1:18

Mustang 1:30 ish if i recall correctly

Its built for the strip it has a button that locks the front wheels and spins the rears for 30 seconds bends aren't it's thing

[Fastlane]

Merc 450 said:

Its built for the strip it has a button that locks the front wheels and spins the rears for 30 seconds bends aren't it's thing

Wow! Teslas are much quicker you know if all you want to do is go fast.

This is a car enthusiasts website and yet you boast about buying a big diesel SUV!

[Merc 450]

Fastlane said:

Merc 450 said:

Its built for the strip it has a button that locks the front wheels and spins the rears for 30 seconds bends aren't it's thing

Wow! Teslas are much quicker you know if all you want to do is go fast.

This is a car enthusiasts website and yet you boast about buying a big diesel SUV!

Bought it for the rottweiler but to be honest if I had to sell the Mustang and the Range Rover and have one car it would be a Range Rover SVR. Special place to be if you have never owned one you won't understand

[Nomme de Plum]

Merc 450 said:

Fastlane said:

Merc 450 said:

Its built for the strip it has a button that locks the front wheels and spins the rears for 30 seconds bends aren't it's thing

Wow! Teslas are much quicker you know if all you want to do is go fast.

This is a car enthusiasts website and yet you boast about buying a big diesel SUV!

Bought it for the rottweiler but to be honest if I had to sell the Mustang and the Range Rover and have one car it would be a Range Rover SVR. Special place to be if you have never owned one you won't understand

Having driven in one I'll stick with the Taycan thank you. I don't feel the need to sit 1m in the air and I don't have a dog.

[Fastlane]

Merc 450 said:

Bought it for the rottweiler but to be honest if I had to sell the Mustang and the Range Rover and have one car it would be a Range Rover SVR. Special place to be if you have never owned one you won't understand

That's a bloody clever rottweiler.

I suspect my attitude to an Range Rover SVR will mirror your own attitude to a Tesla.

Each to their own.

[Merc 450]

Fastlane said:

Merc 450 said:

Bought it for the rottweiler but to be honest if I had to sell the Mustang and the Range Rover and have one car it would be a Range Rover SVR. Special place to be if you have never owned one you won't understand

That's a bloody clever rottweiler.

I suspect my attitude to an Range Rover SVR will mirror your own attitude to a Tesla.

Each to their own.

probably Tesla's are white goods like fridges and washing machines. V8'S have soul especially Mustangs I've had it 5 years and it still makes me smile every day

[Nomme de Plum]

Merc 450 said:

probably Tesla's are white goods like fridges and washing machines. V8'S have soul especially Mustangs I've had it 5 years and it still makes me smile every day

It depends on ones measure. For 99.9% of the population a car is a mode of transport and nothing more. Whether that means they are white good or not is a moot point.

I think my most fun car was my first company car, a 1.6 Peugeot GTi. It was also quite practical. My TVR400SE had a beautiful sound but not particularly quick. The Cerebera 4.5 AJPV8 was fast and bloody awful. Completely unreliable.
The 380bhp Exige S1 awesome on the track but nowhere else.

Now it is possible to have a car with spectacular acceleration which is also very usable for most journeys without any thought required. This is just the beginning of EVs.

I lived/worked in the USA and my Daughter resides there now. My prejudice against American cars maybe unfair but my experience of them has not been good.

[bigothunter]

Nomme de Plum said:

It depends on ones measure. For 99.9% of the population a car is a mode of transport and nothing more. Whether that means they are white good or not is a moot point.

Now it is possible to have a car with spectacular acceleration which is also very usable for most journeys without any thought required. This is just the beginning of EVs.

Single e-pedal and steering wheel - what could be less demanding or engaging?

Well full autonomy of course and not a moment too soon

[Nomme de Plum]

bigothunter said:

Nomme de Plum said:

It depends on ones measure. For 99.9% of the population a car is a mode of transport and nothing more. Whether that means they are white good or not is a moot point.

Now it is possible to have a car with spectacular acceleration which is also very usable for most journeys without any thought required. This is just the beginning of EVs.

Single e-pedal and steering wheel - what could be less demanding or engaging?

Well full autonomy of course and not a moment too soon

I've done my fill of track days and well over 600k road miles. I'd be quite happy for fully autonomous driving on major routes in a very few years. Less risk and much quicker to the destination once vehicle to vehicle communication is enabled.

[OutInTheShed]

Nomme de Plum said:

I've done my fill of track days and well over 600k road miles. I'd be quite happy for fully autonomous driving on major routes in a very few years. Less risk and much quicker to the destination once vehicle to vehicle communication is enabled.

Always seems to me if any of this tech actually works, we could have a lot more capacity on the railways.

[alcatrazarmando]

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

[tamore]

alcatrazarmando said:

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

keep at it, you'll fill the full EV bingo card by your 6th post.

[SteveKTMer]

bigothunter said:

Nomme de Plum said:

It depends on ones measure. For 99.9% of the population a car is a mode of transport and nothing more. Whether that means they are white good or not is a moot point.

Now it is possible to have a car with spectacular acceleration which is also very usable for most journeys without any thought required. This is just the beginning of EVs.

Single e-pedal and steering wheel - what could be less demanding or engaging?

Well full autonomy of course and not a moment too soon

Given the driving ability of half the population, the number of vehicles on the road and the poor condition of the roads, I'm absolutely waiting for a full autonomous car - this is the ideal in the current climate for commuting and general travel.

Imagine the convenience of being able to summon or book a car by an app, having it arrive at a time in the morning that the AI predicts will get you to the office on time, you jump aboard the autonomous pod with your coffee and iPad, read the news and listen to Today as you're driven door to door by a brain that won't ask you anything about your life or try to engage in light conversation.

Once you've been dropped off it will navigate to a charging station and re-charge and await the next booking.

For shopping, commuting, school runs, even business trips, this is the ideal. Probably covers 80% of car usage.

[SteveKTMer]

tamore said:

alcatrazarmando said:

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

keep at it, you'll fill the full EV bingo card by your 6th post.

I wouldn't belittle his post, the conditions reported do exist in many countries and are caused not just by BEVs but modern electronics I general. It's something that needs to be cleaned up, just like the Coal industry tried to hide the 1000s of deaths it caused until it was better regulated and H&S regulations improved conditions. No industrial mining process starts off clean, they all need regulation and improvement but some countries are obviously slower to do that than others.

[DMZ]

Is there a bingo card for the Kool aid drinkers?

[gmaz]

alcatrazarmando said:

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

EV makes are moving away from nickel and cobalt in their batteries, preferring LFP.

The mining and oil extraction businesses are dangerous and full of poor safety practices whoever the end user of the product is.

[raspy]

alcatrazarmando said:

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

That is most concerning.

I am curious, are those who are pausing to examine the dark side of EV supply chains also applying the same level of examination to all of their consumer choices in their daily lives?

[AstonZagato]

SteveKTMer said:

tamore said:

alcatrazarmando said:

The science arent telling you the dark side of EVs are they? half a tonne of lithium batteries per car good for the environment? well ok whatever they say - I am veering towards the fact they are inherently digital devices and thus easier to control - it looks like everything in the future is going 10


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-...

keep at it, you'll fill the full EV bingo card by your 6th post.

I wouldn't belittle his post, the conditions reported do exist in many countries and are caused not just by BEVs but modern electronics I general. It's something that needs to be cleaned up, just like the Coal industry tried to hide the 1000s of deaths it caused until it was better regulated and H&S regulations improved conditions. No industrial mining process starts off clean, they all need regulation and improvement but some countries are obviously slower to do that than others.

I'm not belittling the problem but I would point out that, oddly, the anti EV bingo crowd haven't had a problem with this extraction for the decades of exploitation and pollution to create smartphone and laptop batteries. It would appear to be a convenient stick with which to beat EVs rather than a passionately held position against the practice. And it ignores the counter which is the pollution of extracting the oil and refining it.

Thankfully the EV industry is trying moving away from these commodities.