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TheDeuce said:
Yea just reading up, it's very different to the none GT variants.
From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
THIS. A thousand times this. And I don’t think it NEEDS the extra power. If they had concentrated just on the chassis and left the power it might have been a very different experience.From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
MrB. said:
It does, and I’m being a little dramatic in my response. As others have said it has a bit more than just the wick being turned up to 11. My point is how it’s developed (I just didn’t explain it very well - or perhaps at all?)
The Ford Mustang Mach E GT is point in case. It gets Magnaride dampers over the standard Extended Range car, plus different wheels and tyres, steering, etc, etc, etc. But it’s a worse car (and by some margin) over the Extended Range. Whereas the Polestar 2 BST270 (and now 230) is no more powerful but the Ohlins dampers have been changed, the wheels and tyres have been honed, and the whole car feels much more developed. Too many company’s concentrate on power and headline 0-60 times, but leave out driver enjoyment.
Not that ICE cars are any different. Many will say that the best Lotus Elise was the modestly powered 135 which was a far superior car to the Sport 160.
The EV6 GT is a really good car, but my point is that is isn’t the pick of the range for me. The compromises far outweigh the gains for me.
Tune in next week when I don’t make any sense again.
I'd agree with all that it makes total sense, in most ways the GT Line S is the best all round car. It just depends what your priorities are.The Ford Mustang Mach E GT is point in case. It gets Magnaride dampers over the standard Extended Range car, plus different wheels and tyres, steering, etc, etc, etc. But it’s a worse car (and by some margin) over the Extended Range. Whereas the Polestar 2 BST270 (and now 230) is no more powerful but the Ohlins dampers have been changed, the wheels and tyres have been honed, and the whole car feels much more developed. Too many company’s concentrate on power and headline 0-60 times, but leave out driver enjoyment.
Not that ICE cars are any different. Many will say that the best Lotus Elise was the modestly powered 135 which was a far superior car to the Sport 160.
The EV6 GT is a really good car, but my point is that is isn’t the pick of the range for me. The compromises far outweigh the gains for me.
Tune in next week when I don’t make any sense again.
Although, the good thing about EV's is that you can drive the performance ones in a fashion more like the regular ones and the penalty in ordinary driving is far less than driving a performance ICE vehicle the whole time. For that reason I bought a BMW 650i instead of an M6, while for me the balance swings in favour of the performance EV6.
MrB. said:
TheDeuce said:
Yea just reading up, it's very different to the none GT variants.
From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
THIS. A thousand times this. And I don’t think it NEEDS the extra power. If they had concentrated just on the chassis and left the power it might have been a very different experience.From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
TheDeuce said:
MrB. said:
TheDeuce said:
Yea just reading up, it's very different to the none GT variants.
From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
THIS. A thousand times this. And I don’t think it NEEDS the extra power. If they had concentrated just on the chassis and left the power it might have been a very different experience.From a drivers perspective that would feel very different and improved dynamically, even without the extra power.
So the extra power is essentially 'free' as you say.
740EVTORQUES said:
2.8 miles/ kWh over 17,00 miles, 75-79 on motorway/ A roads, NSL everywhere else. No attempt to change my driving style to save range.
I only charge to 80% as that's more than I need, but for long journeys starting at 100% I bank on 200 miles of range but plan to recharge at 20% so around 175 miles or so. The prediction is very accurate as well, so if you are sure you have destination charging (eg at home on the return leg) then you can run it right down to the limit.
The killer is the rapid charging, it's so quick that provided you don't have 'charger anxiety' (and I definitely did for the first 6 months until I realised the infrastructure was actually pretty good now) then there's no reason to have 'range anxiety'.
Have you tried a visit to north Devon? Say going from Birmingham to Clovelly and visiting the beaches within 40 mins of Clovrlly for a week. Is there an opportunity to charge? I only charge to 80% as that's more than I need, but for long journeys starting at 100% I bank on 200 miles of range but plan to recharge at 20% so around 175 miles or so. The prediction is very accurate as well, so if you are sure you have destination charging (eg at home on the return leg) then you can run it right down to the limit.
The killer is the rapid charging, it's so quick that provided you don't have 'charger anxiety' (and I definitely did for the first 6 months until I realised the infrastructure was actually pretty good now) then there's no reason to have 'range anxiety'.
blueg33 said:
Have you tried a visit to north Devon? Say going from Birmingham to Clovelly and visiting the beaches within 40 mins of Clovrlly for a week. Is there an opportunity to charge?
Actually I am holidaying in Devon in a couple of weeks so I’ll check it out. According to Zapmap there seem to be plenty of chargers, the cottages were staying at have level 2 chargers provided and there’s always the option of using a 3 pin slow charger overnight as a backup so I imagine it will be fine.Is it ok if I don’t start from Birmingham though as I don’t live there but from Surrey instead?
740EVTORQUES said:
blueg33 said:
Have you tried a visit to north Devon? Say going from Birmingham to Clovelly and visiting the beaches within 40 mins of Clovrlly for a week. Is there an opportunity to charge?
Actually I am holidaying in Devon in a couple of weeks so I’ll check it out. According to Zapmap there seem to be plenty of chargers, the cottages were staying at have level 2 chargers provided and there’s always the option of using a 3 pin slow charger overnight as a backup so I imagine it will be fine.Is it ok if I don’t start from Birmingham though as I don’t live there but from Surrey instead?
I'm surprised at just how easy Devon and Cornwall would be to carelessly enjoy in an EV now, Vs the last time I went just a couple of years ago. What a change!
blueg33 said:
Have you tried a visit to north Devon? Say going from Birmingham to Clovelly and visiting the beaches within 40 mins of Clovrlly for a week. Is there an opportunity to charge?
Not an EV6 GT....but we're currently in Newquay from North Essex (so actually a lot further than your trip - 315-350 miles depending on route) in our Taycan slightly unexpectedly.It's been fine thus far. Return tomorrow...can give more details then...
Quick update after a trip to the darkest South West 
There aren't the biggest number of 350kW chargers, but there are some and numbers seem to be growing quickly. And with the mileage you're looking at, I'm not sure you'd really need them.
There are plenty of lower power chargers around. Didn't use any myself as the hotel we were at had 7kW chargers for use (though not cheap at all, @ 63ppkWh!).
I've been recommended chargefinder.com as one of the better up to date resources for charge stations. Have a mooch around there to give comfort
There aren't the biggest number of 350kW chargers, but there are some and numbers seem to be growing quickly. And with the mileage you're looking at, I'm not sure you'd really need them.
There are plenty of lower power chargers around. Didn't use any myself as the hotel we were at had 7kW chargers for use (though not cheap at all, @ 63ppkWh!).
I've been recommended chargefinder.com as one of the better up to date resources for charge stations. Have a mooch around there to give comfort
Interesting
We drive to the Clovelly area a lot. Public chargers don’t seem that common. There is one in Bideford. None at the decent beaches or at the decent pubs.
I’d be interested to know which nearby sections have them. I would be spring 40 miles to charge, thats potentially 2 hour round trip.
Can’t use 3 pin plug without 100m extension lead.
The issue IMO is not the journey there but travelling around once arrived.
We drive to the Clovelly area a lot. Public chargers don’t seem that common. There is one in Bideford. None at the decent beaches or at the decent pubs.
I’d be interested to know which nearby sections have them. I would be spring 40 miles to charge, thats potentially 2 hour round trip.
Can’t use 3 pin plug without 100m extension lead.
The issue IMO is not the journey there but travelling around once arrived.
Agree with the above, getting there is no issue but looking at ZapMap, there don’t appear to be that many charging options if you can’t charge at your accommodation. I’ll be staying in Widemouth Bay for a few days this summer and I don’t really want to go out of my way to charge whilst on a short holiday. There are quite a few single chargers about but in the peak season I’d not be confident of a hassle free charge.
My plan is to arrive at the Lifton SC with a fairly low SOC and then get enough in there for a few days. The issue with not having any chargers at the accommodation is I’ll need to stop at Lifton on the way home and at least one other stop (possibly 2 to keep a decent charge speed) back to Surrey.
We did look at a place that had a 7kw charger but they want £1 per kWh!!
My plan is to arrive at the Lifton SC with a fairly low SOC and then get enough in there for a few days. The issue with not having any chargers at the accommodation is I’ll need to stop at Lifton on the way home and at least one other stop (possibly 2 to keep a decent charge speed) back to Surrey.
We did look at a place that had a 7kw charger but they want £1 per kWh!!
blueg33 said:
Interesting
We drive to the Clovelly area a lot. Public chargers don’t seem that common. There is one in Bideford. None at the decent beaches or at the decent pubs.
I’d be interested to know which nearby sections have them. I would be spring 40 miles to charge, thats potentially 2 hour round trip.
Can’t use 3 pin plug without 100m extension lead.
The issue IMO is not the journey there but travelling around once arrived.
How many miles will you be doing when there?We drive to the Clovelly area a lot. Public chargers don’t seem that common. There is one in Bideford. None at the decent beaches or at the decent pubs.
I’d be interested to know which nearby sections have them. I would be spring 40 miles to charge, thats potentially 2 hour round trip.
Can’t use 3 pin plug without 100m extension lead.
The issue IMO is not the journey there but travelling around once arrived.
Have a look round charge finder. There are quite a few 100kw+ points.
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