Will you be an EV enthusiast?
Discussion
TheDeuce said:
I actually agree - I have to given that the investment ICE I'm looking for is an M3 V8.... 
I was thinking more about the more recent very high powered ICE cars, breaching 1000hp in a few cars. But I agree that at an attainable and purist level 10-15 years ago was the high point.
The point stands however, now is a time we can have either or both.
Great minds think alike. Difficult to find anything more suited to the task for around £20k IMHO.I was thinking more about the more recent very high powered ICE cars, breaching 1000hp in a few cars. But I agree that at an attainable and purist level 10-15 years ago was the high point.
The point stands however, now is a time we can have either or both.
Ref the 1000bhp+ club, I'd take a 600hp 2005 V10 Carrera GT over any of them from a drivetrain perspective, or more realistically an Audi R8 V10.
with the open gated manual box. One of those and an i3S for daily use, perfect.
swisstoni said:
S600BSB said:
I've always felt you can appreciate and enjoy both ICE and EV. I wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily (going to get another ipace at the end of the current lease) and still enjoy driving my 911 and V8 S4 at other times. I think these are exciting times!
Totally agree. The vast majority of my mileage is my 160 mile round trip commute - all of it on dual carriageway and motorway into central London. Easily done on an 80% charge but more importantly, very easy and cheap one pedal driving. An EV is the perfect commuting appliance.
I have a convertible V8 in the garage for summer fun, but it probably does no more than 2,000 miles a year now - it's an expensive toy. If I had to let one go, it would be the V8. Common sense really. Painful to admit though.
S600BSB said:
I've always felt you can appreciate and enjoy both ICE and EV. I wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily (going to get another ipace at the end of the current lease) and still enjoy driving my 911 and V8 S4 at other times. I think these are exciting times!
+1 (iPace and 911)
Discombobulate said:
S600BSB said:
I've always felt you can appreciate and enjoy both ICE and EV. I wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily (going to get another ipace at the end of the current lease) and still enjoy driving my 911 and V8 S4 at other times. I think these are exciting times!
+1 (iPace and 911)
Although whilst the iPace doesn't have quite the same joy factor I'm already expecting the M3 to not go down the b-roads around here as fast as the iPace... It'll go into the corners a little quicker and neater but the torque punch and traction of the EV out of the corners is insane.
Drl22 said:
The driving gods are back again, most on PH couldn’t exploit the performance properly of either the Taycan or the 911 and get nowhere near the edge on the road either. Soul is not ONLY defined by noise (although it’s a huge factor for me) but you’d know that if you’d driven a good EV, I’m not sure you have…
Does the Taycan not count? Please advise oh mighty one.TheDeuce said:
Discombobulate said:
S600BSB said:
I've always felt you can appreciate and enjoy both ICE and EV. I wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily (going to get another ipace at the end of the current lease) and still enjoy driving my 911 and V8 S4 at other times. I think these are exciting times!
+1 (iPace and 911)
Although whilst the iPace doesn't have quite the same joy factor I'm already expecting the M3 to not go down the b-roads around here as fast as the iPace... It'll go into the corners a little quicker and neater but the torque punch and traction of the EV out of the corners is insane.
I'm thinking intead of a £60k EV and £20k toy, a £30k EV (i3S) and £50k toy is definitely the sensible way forward.
The question now is which toy..
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
Discombobulate said:
S600BSB said:
I've always felt you can appreciate and enjoy both ICE and EV. I wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily (going to get another ipace at the end of the current lease) and still enjoy driving my 911 and V8 S4 at other times. I think these are exciting times!
+1 (iPace and 911)
Although whilst the iPace doesn't have quite the same joy factor I'm already expecting the M3 to not go down the b-roads around here as fast as the iPace... It'll go into the corners a little quicker and neater but the torque punch and traction of the EV out of the corners is insane.
I'm thinking intead of a £60k EV and £20k toy, a £30k EV (i3S) and £50k toy is definitely the sensible way forward.
The question now is which toy..
A tidy Merc black with limited miles would be a great buy, that's a perfect expamle of ICE excess at its best and most fun. Just avoid the pedal on the right 'the spin and crash into tree' pedal.
Hoofy said:
FWIW Gran Turismo on PS1 got me into sports cars.
Boys and imaginary toys.....I've literally just 'rediscovered' GT on PS1/2 on Andorid, so really interesting to see how my enthusiasm for cars have changed (or not) over the last few decades. 'Driving' this around Autumn ring was what 'helped' me waste my first pay cheque on something pretty much identical in real life
Right now though, as much as our EV is by far the 'best' car I have owned overall, I have zero interest (or wish) to see in GT or similar. Its probably an age thing but my 'dream' attainable car has remained the same over the years.....if I was single with no other responsibilities apart from looking after me, one of these would be in the garage right now
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...and if I was to win the lottery it woudlnt be an EV I would spend the money on, but something quite the opposite.
So I guess the OP has a good point, I think EV are fantastic cars, I wouldn’t go back to a daily combustion car, but that's not the same as being 'enthusiastic'. The most 'exciting' EV I can think of right now is a Twizzy.....but than again my pedal eBike is almost as quick and far more raw, so what's the point!
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 22 September 09:03
gangzoom said:
Boys and imaginary toys.....I've literally just 'rediscovered' GT on PS1/2 on Andorid, so really interesting to see how my enthusiasm for cars have changed (or not) over the last few decades.
'Driving' this around Autumn ring was what 'helped' me waste my first pay cheque on something pretty much identical in real life
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[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/7212/6905922782_266fcc47e2_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
Right now though, as much as our EV is by far the 'best' car I have owned overall, I have zero interest (or wish) to see in GT or similar. Its probably an age thing but my 'dream' attainable car has remained the same over the years.....if I was single with no other responsibilities apart from looking after me, one of these would be in the garage right now.
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52375971063_87efeca10a_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
...and if I was to win the lottery it woudlnt be an EV I would spend the money on, but something quite the opposite.
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52278095828_860a76ce6a_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
So I guess the OP has a good point, I think EV are fantastic cars, I wouldn’t go back to a daily combustion car, but that's not the same as being 'enthusiastic'. The most 'exciting' EV I can think of right now is a Twizzy.....but than again my pedal eBike is almost as quick and far more raw, so what's the point!
Well, you have very good taste in cars!'Driving' this around Autumn ring was what 'helped' me waste my first pay cheque on something pretty much identical in real life
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52368357021_8500161f7c_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/7212/6905922782_266fcc47e2_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
Right now though, as much as our EV is by far the 'best' car I have owned overall, I have zero interest (or wish) to see in GT or similar. Its probably an age thing but my 'dream' attainable car has remained the same over the years.....if I was single with no other responsibilities apart from looking after me, one of these would be in the garage right now
.[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52375971063_87efeca10a_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
...and if I was to win the lottery it woudlnt be an EV I would spend the money on, but something quite the opposite.
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52278095828_860a76ce6a_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
So I guess the OP has a good point, I think EV are fantastic cars, I wouldn’t go back to a daily combustion car, but that's not the same as being 'enthusiastic'. The most 'exciting' EV I can think of right now is a Twizzy.....but than again my pedal eBike is almost as quick and far more raw, so what's the point!
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 22 September 09:03
I had a tuned CRX MKII Vtec and my mate had a Teg at the same time, we adored those cars..
I think GT has the spec wrong for the RPM of the Teg by the way, I know my mates was nearly hitting 9000rpm and my CRX was around 8400rpm. The peak power figures for both are quoted as 8000rpm..
Absolutely loved those cars/engines, they're genuine classics as they were so unique in their character and already (as I'm sure you know) gaining value rapidly. Look after it well!
SWoll said:
Finally got past the requirement for a large primary car as both children will have their tests passed shortly, there are no more school runs or family hoidays to worry about and our mileage has significantly dropped over the past 2 years with 100+ mile trips a rarity.
I'm thinking intead of a £60k EV and £20k toy, a £30k EV (i3S) and £50k toy is definitely the sensible way forward.
The question now is which toy..
I think if I wasn't doing many miles and 100 mile trips were a rarity, I'd lack enthusiasm for spending £80k on two cars.I'm thinking intead of a £60k EV and £20k toy, a £30k EV (i3S) and £50k toy is definitely the sensible way forward.
The question now is which toy..
OutInTheShed said:
I think if I wasn't doing many miles and 100 mile trips were a rarity, I'd lack enthusiasm for spending £80k on two cars.
Depends really doesn't it.. If the £50k ICE car was bought as an investment, then the limited miles make perfect sense. You also get the happiness of knowing it's all yours whenever you want to take it out.My friend has an old Jag XKR which is steadily increasing in value at a rate that entirely covers it's upkeep. If you're not short of capital to make such a purchase, it's a bit of a no brainer.
Well this is new. Normally every EV thread descends into some argument about CO2 or charging or range or if we’re really unlucky long posts about hydrogen but it seems that we’ve all agreed that ICE is the solution in this thread, lol.
So where do we think the mighty C63 fits into all of this with its part ICE part electric heart with ample sprinkling of the F[1] word and obviously aimed at the sporty crowd? Ticks every box or ticks no box at all? I think I would be partial to the estate personally and if it is what I think it is then should be a decent drive. I would expect EV-like step off but then increasing power through the rev range and hopefully [speaker enhanced] cacophony near the red line before slamming into the next gear with zero lag.
So where do we think the mighty C63 fits into all of this with its part ICE part electric heart with ample sprinkling of the F[1] word and obviously aimed at the sporty crowd? Ticks every box or ticks no box at all? I think I would be partial to the estate personally and if it is what I think it is then should be a decent drive. I would expect EV-like step off but then increasing power through the rev range and hopefully [speaker enhanced] cacophony near the red line before slamming into the next gear with zero lag.
DMZ said:
Well this is new. Normally every EV thread descends into some argument about CO2 or charging or range or if we’re really unlucky long posts about hydrogen but it seems that we’ve all agreed that ICE is the solution in this thread, lol.
So where do we think the mighty C63 fits into all of this with its part ICE part electric heart with ample sprinkling of the F[1] word and obviously aimed at the sporty crowd? Ticks every box or ticks no box at all? I think I would be partial to the estate personally and if it is what I think it is then should be a decent drive. I would expect EV-like step off but then increasing power through the rev range and hopefully [speaker enhanced] cacophony near the red line before slamming into the next gear with zero lag.
Well, the need to change gear is still archaic So where do we think the mighty C63 fits into all of this with its part ICE part electric heart with ample sprinkling of the F[1] word and obviously aimed at the sporty crowd? Ticks every box or ticks no box at all? I think I would be partial to the estate personally and if it is what I think it is then should be a decent drive. I would expect EV-like step off but then increasing power through the rev range and hopefully [speaker enhanced] cacophony near the red line before slamming into the next gear with zero lag.
But I think where this thread has ended up is just (finally) in a place of realism. This is PH, we're collectively obviously more interested in cars than saving the planet or doing running cost maths. Hence, we enjoy these times. ICE has peaked and we can cherry pick the ones we personally want to hang on to whilst also embracing a new and simply better day to day solution in the form of EV.
The fact is that virtually no-one who has adopted EV on these forums regrets it, and we won't go back. But that doesn't mean decades of internal combustion fun no longer has any appeal. We're at a golden point in motoring history, we can have both
DMZ said:
You definitely want gear changes, otherwise you get the highly boring way that EVs deploy their power which is a big slug of torque that fades. I'm fairly sure people post pictures of cars with VTEC for a reason... you want the rush to the redline.
I enjoy both.I love the activity and rush of flying through gears.
I love the fact that EV's not having gears is more efficient = faster overall solution.
Two very different things that can be (by me at least) appreciated and enjoyed for different reasons.
TheDeuce said:
The fact is that virtually no-one who has adopted EV on these forums regrets it, and we won't go back. But that doesn't mean decades of internal combustion fun no longer has any appeal. We're at a golden point in motoring history, we can have both
Not sure about your EV ownership statement there as at the end of 2021 most surveys I have seen appear to show approx 20% of EV owners go back to an ICE vehicle with most citing range anxiety and poor infrastructure as the 2 main reasons Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff