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So apparently will be launched at the Shanghai Auto Show, 18th April/
https://www.mgevs.com/threads/latest-mg-cyberster-...
https://www.mgevs.com/threads/latest-mg-cyberster-...
giveitfish said:
That steering wheel can get in the bin.
Tesla started offering replacement wheels for their stupid yoke on their models. Sold out in a week. They now offer a free 'upgrade' to have a normal wheel and if the reports are true, no one is going for the yoke.Tesla tried and failed - but it got the attention they wanted. Totally understand if other manufacturers show off concepts with something similar. Chances of making it to production? Zero.
I would very much be interested in an electric 2 seater. We've always had our family cars and I've had 2 seater sports cars for the last 30 years as a weekend/fun vehicle.
Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??
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|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]
Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]Lord Flashheart said:
I would very much be interested in an electric 2 seater. We've always had our family cars and I've had 2 seater sports cars for the last 30 years as a weekend/fun vehicle.
Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]
I remember gently persuading you to buy the Jag on that thread.. Glad you continue to enjoy it - they're stupidly fun for a crossover SUV.Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]I think Lotus is the company to watch for even more focused fun EV's. Their Eletra SUV looks to be everything that is great about the iPace but more power, and I think we can safely assume it'll handle well - it's a Lotus after all.
They've already sort of gone there with the Evija but that's a hypercar and very expensive. But it proves they can package the EV drivetrain into a serious roadster form factor, and I think it's a safe bet there will be a more down to earth 2 seater down the line. There is no reason such a car needs to have 2000hp and cost £2m...
600hp and £80-100k should be on the cards. They kinda have to make such a car as they can't have a line-up of only SUV's post 2030, because that's not really what the Lotus brand is all about.
Also I don't care what Mazda say, they are not going to let their top seller MX5 die off, there will be an electric version I have zero doubt. Hopefully offered with a smaller battery than most EV's in order to keep the price and weight down for those that want it as a fun car, not a long distance daily. 30kwh would probably be enough for at least half of MX5 drivers.
TheDeuce said:
Lord Flashheart said:
I would very much be interested in an electric 2 seater. We've always had our family cars and I've had 2 seater sports cars for the last 30 years as a weekend/fun vehicle.
Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]
I remember gently persuading you to buy the Jag on that thread.. Glad you continue to enjoy it - they're stupidly fun for a crossover SUV.Last year I bought a new iPace as I really like the look of them, plus I was curious about EV ownership. I've been shouted at by the very narrow minded as not being a true petrolhead etc. even though my previous cars have included a V10 R8, a 630bhp Noble M400 a Hayabusa powered replica Porsche Speedster and other 'true petrolhead' cars. The Jag is the first 4 seater for me for pure enjoyment reasons and...I'm not disappointed. It's lovely. If Jaguar produced an all electric F Type tomorrow with the same interior as my iPace, I'd be looking for ways of buying one...even though I've probably halved the iPace value already! I honestly believe there is a big enough market for 2 seater EVs that true petrolheads would soon enough accept as suitable for car enthusiasts.
Attached are 2 pics of my car. I know taste is subjective, but to my eye, this is a great looking car with great performance. Shove that into the F Type and surely it would sell??
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/uffh3JeZ[/url]
Well thank you! I really am truly pleased with this car, and that's coming straight from an R8. There have been moments, when the sun has come out, that I miss the roof down in the R8. This is what I would ultimately want from an EV and I'm confident it will happen. I just don't know that I'll be able to afford it when it does!That MG looks a very good effort and will no doubt be good value as well.
Lotus have already said they are working on a ‘mid engined’ EV lay form (or with the battery mass in the middle) for their first mass market EV sports car and that should be a game changer for dynamics.
The Koreans are also rumoured to be thinking of a halo sports car based on the eGMP platform (which after all is modular and already offers nearly 600hp in a car costing less than £60k) the economies of scale are obvious. Throw in a three motor torque vectoring drivetrain that is rumoured for the next iteration of the EV6/ Ionic 5 range and there’s a lot to look forward to.
Not to mention Tesla if it ever arrives.
Lotus have already said they are working on a ‘mid engined’ EV lay form (or with the battery mass in the middle) for their first mass market EV sports car and that should be a game changer for dynamics.
The Koreans are also rumoured to be thinking of a halo sports car based on the eGMP platform (which after all is modular and already offers nearly 600hp in a car costing less than £60k) the economies of scale are obvious. Throw in a three motor torque vectoring drivetrain that is rumoured for the next iteration of the EV6/ Ionic 5 range and there’s a lot to look forward to.
Not to mention Tesla if it ever arrives.
starsky67 said:
Lotus have already said they are working on a ‘mid engined’ EV lay form (or with the battery mass in the middle) for their first mass market EV sports car and that should be a game changer for dynamics.
Pretty much every EV has the battery mass in the middle of the car, that's the benefit of a skateboard chassis. ICE manufacturers have been trying to get as much weight low and between the wheels as they can for years but have struggled to manage it.The problem Lotus are going to have is keeping the height of the car down with that kind of setup, and battery weight. Assuming they'll need at least a 50kW unit to offer some sort of practical range. I expect they'll go for a battery "spine".
ETA - Just hs a look and suggestion is they will use a "chest" battery behind the driver. Should be interesting as that's a lot of weight stacked into a very small area, and height with it?
Edited by SWoll on Monday 10th April 20:43
In their approach is to sacrifice a bit of centre of gravity height to gain a lower polar moment, hence ‘mid battery’ it might provide a USP for a 2 seater EV sportscar over the other skateboard types where there’s really little advantage in a coupe or roadster style.
If anyone knows how to do this right Lotus do I expect!
If anyone knows how to do this right Lotus do I expect!
starsky67 said:
In their approach is to sacrifice a bit of centre of gravity height to gain a lower polar moment, hence ‘mid battery’ it might provide a USP for a 2 seater EV sportscar over the other skateboard types where there’s really little advantage in a coupe or roadster style.
If anyone knows how to do this right Lotus do I expect!
Exactly. All that we need to know is that they're onto the job of making a hopefully (semi) affordable EV roadster.If anyone knows how to do this right Lotus do I expect!
How they achieve that ambition is their business but we can assume it'll be a very decent result from the drivers perspective.
It's actually quite easy to mask the extra weight of batteries in a road car anyway. If you take a fast EV to a circuit you'll soon feel the weight but you simply can't push a car that hard on the roads unless you have a death wish. I've no doubt Lotus could make a 50-60kwh pack work in a roadster and it genuinely not feel over laden by weight. The torque of EV helps hugely to nullify the feeling of weight/mass even when driving very quickly on a winding b road. The low CoG does a lot too. These things combined and I believe a sports car can handle a little extra weight and overall deliver as dynamic an experience.
There’s likely to be a huge price gulf between the MG and the Porsche and Lotus. MG likely to start at around £40k and the others over £70k. I’ll be happy to accept the compromise of sitting a little higher in the MG, as long as it isn’t too big and handles well. It’s hard to get a sense of scale from the MG pics so far, but it’s looking more Z4 than MX5 to me, unfortunately. Beggars can’t be choosers in the world of 2024 EV sports cars though, so I’ll live with it.
Olibol said:
There’s likely to be a huge price gulf between the MG and the Porsche and Lotus. MG likely to start at around £40k and the others over £70k. I’ll be happy to accept the compromise of sitting a little higher in the MG, as long as it isn’t too big and handles well. It’s hard to get a sense of scale from the MG pics so far, but it’s looking more Z4 than MX5 to me, unfortunately. Beggars can’t be choosers in the world of 2024 EV sports cars though, so I’ll live with it.
£40k start price for the MG? That's going to be a tough sell in the current EV market, especially for a brand with a reputation for cheap, high value models?Not convinced Porsche will price that high either. If you look at their Taycan v Panamera pricing the EV is actually cheaper with the base 400hp, RWD, 80kWh version starting at £79k. I'd expect a base Boxster EV to cost considerably less than that?
SWoll said:
£40k start price for the MG? That's going to be a tough sell in the current EV market, especially for a brand with a reputation for cheap, high value models?
Not convinced Porsche will price that high either. If you look at their Taycan v Panamera pricing the EV is actually cheaper with the base 400hp, RWD, 80kWh version starting at £79k. I'd expect a base Boxster EV to cost considerably less than that?
It's a brand new market, who knows. A basic 2L boxster now is 54k, an S is 65k.Not convinced Porsche will price that high either. If you look at their Taycan v Panamera pricing the EV is actually cheaper with the base 400hp, RWD, 80kWh version starting at £79k. I'd expect a base Boxster EV to cost considerably less than that?
Porsche Taycan range starts at 79k whilst the Panamera starts at 72k (10% more).
Porsche just increased prices by 8% this year. EV Boxster is 1-2 years away.
Logical to assume it'll be at least £75-80k starting price, unless theres a big change in EV manufacturing economics.
ajprice said:
What are the chances of MG having a similar steering system to Lexus for that yoke wheel?
I would assume not on the basis that the Lexus system introduces some small flaws that might be exaggerated in a lighter weight roadster design - also it's asking a lot for a traditional roadster driver to transition to electric power train AND at the same time give up direct link steering feedback.But wind forwards several years I expect dbw steering will start to appear all over the industry. The timeframe also depends upon what patents lexus/Toyota may have secured and how long it takes the others to find ways around them.
f1eng said:
I’m not sure about an EV roadster.
Generally I like the quietness and instant throttle response of an EV daily, but for a fun car something rorty with 3 pedals, and no driver aids other tha ABS is what really appeals to me.
Having dailied my supercharged Eunos for a couple of years and loved it, I’d like to daily a sports car again, but don’t feel happy doing proper miles in an ICE car any more. If this works out competitive with my current Tesla when the time comes for a new lease, it strikes me as the best of most worlds (will just make brum brum noises in my head and lift off sharply every now and then to pretend I’m changing gear). Generally I like the quietness and instant throttle response of an EV daily, but for a fun car something rorty with 3 pedals, and no driver aids other tha ABS is what really appeals to me.
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