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I got my e-Up in May and was very impressed with the efficiency and range... until winter. My previous EV was a 10 year old Peugeot iOn which suffered a lot in winter (summer range of 60 miles absolute best case halved to 30)... I was expecting the Up to do a bit better than that, but the drop-off is still pretty dramatic.
Anyway... after a nerve-wracking spur-of-the-moment attempt to drive it to London in October (200 mile round trip with the inevitable UK charging woes) and now the winter experience of massively reduced range, the shine is really coming off my (leased) ownership. The novelty of learning the capabilities of a new powertrain and all that goes with it has worn off, I find charging is a faff especially in winter in the cold, dark, wet... even at home. Basically you're always having to think about managing the limitations of the car... acceleration... speed... hills... heating... charging... planning... is this really progress?
A small EV is great for my daily school run / frequent short trips... smooth, quiet, nippy, emissions-free smugness... but I think I might get an Up GTi or a Mini Cooper S when the lease ends. My mileage is low so fuel cost is really not that important. It would be less hassle to live with and much more capable as a CAR... which is kind of the point of having one.
Anyway... after a nerve-wracking spur-of-the-moment attempt to drive it to London in October (200 mile round trip with the inevitable UK charging woes) and now the winter experience of massively reduced range, the shine is really coming off my (leased) ownership. The novelty of learning the capabilities of a new powertrain and all that goes with it has worn off, I find charging is a faff especially in winter in the cold, dark, wet... even at home. Basically you're always having to think about managing the limitations of the car... acceleration... speed... hills... heating... charging... planning... is this really progress?
A small EV is great for my daily school run / frequent short trips... smooth, quiet, nippy, emissions-free smugness... but I think I might get an Up GTi or a Mini Cooper S when the lease ends. My mileage is low so fuel cost is really not that important. It would be less hassle to live with and much more capable as a CAR... which is kind of the point of having one.
I was thinking of swapping our petrol Up for the electric version but have come to the conclusion that I can’t be arsed for the minimal savings for a local runabout. When we purchased ours second hand a few years back the E was almost twice the price but now they are almost on a par with the petrol version in a few instances. Still quite tempted but will likely run the current one in to the ground first. It’s quickly become a family favourite - cracking little thing.
stickylabels said:
somouk said:
I was getting similar the other day coming back out of Birmingham.
Does anyone elses car always reset to 22 every time it is locked and left for a period of time? Really annoys me!
It seems they all do that chap whether Mii, Citigo or up. From my extremely scientific testing......it seems that after the car has been locked for at least 15-20 mins (ish) then everything resets. Quite why an 'engineer' chose 22C as the default setting when everyone else in the world is trying their best to get a decent range out of the thing is beyond me, surely 18/19 would have been sensible. I have cars that are 22 & 25 years old and they can remember the last setting so it must be the usual penny pinching nonsense again from VW.Does anyone elses car always reset to 22 every time it is locked and left for a period of time? Really annoys me!
Having grumbled about all that, it's not like there are many buttons or menus that you need to go through to reset at least! I do wonder what a slightly facelifted Mii could have been with a slightly bigger battery (say 3-5 more usable Kw), better headlights (Leds) & a longer term memory of settings would have been like. It's one of those cars that is so close to being just so. Still can't get i3's out of my head.....
In essence, appears to be a VAG thing!
VAG, had it all in the good old days. Had 2 MK1 Golf GTi campaigns and then an 8v Mk3 Gti that lasted 5 weeks before it went. Downhill since as far as I'm concerned. Anyhoo!, Discovered the Wii Mii has heated door mirrors last week...!! Unless you lean forward literally out of your seat you can't see the little emblem
I could have read the manual of course but that's cheating and taking away the little surprises...!
I could have read the manual of course but that's cheating and taking away the little surprises...!
The Mii is going. As good as it was over the milder months, its lack of range when colder is not acceptable. I tried all the various permutations the car allows in order to maximise range but stay reasonably comfortable inside (i.e. not bloody cold!!) but when you are into the low 3's efficiency wise it is always a struggle. The last 3/12 K miles have averaged 3.6 m/kwh, however the number 2 would appear initially on the coldest days and very gradually get up into the low 3's.
Typically, warm sunny day today and back up to 6m/kwh.....but it goes on Thursday. The Fiesta remains for another year heh-ho.
Typically, warm sunny day today and back up to 6m/kwh.....but it goes on Thursday. The Fiesta remains for another year heh-ho.
Am I right in thinking the Mii uses the same battery and motor tech as the e-Golf?
If so, I’ve really noticed that the ID3 and Born are far less affected by temperature than the e-golf was. Sure they still drop off, but I’d say approx 20% as opposed to what was around 40% in the Golf.
Clearly ID3 and Born aren’t at the cutting edge of EV architecture, so I suspect your wish will come true if indeed it hasn’t already been granted!
If so, I’ve really noticed that the ID3 and Born are far less affected by temperature than the e-golf was. Sure they still drop off, but I’d say approx 20% as opposed to what was around 40% in the Golf.
Clearly ID3 and Born aren’t at the cutting edge of EV architecture, so I suspect your wish will come true if indeed it hasn’t already been granted!
Not sure on what motor/battery system it uses to be honest. If it is the same as the eGolf then it is simply lightness/simplicity that gives the Mii decent warm weather efficiency. It does have the 'VW pink' coolant fluid for the batteries so there is some temp control unlike a Leaf for example. It has frustrated me really, as I have said before, I genuinely like the Mii, but in cold weather we have gone from a genuine 160 miles down to 100-ish and that is too much of a compromise.
If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
stickylabels said:
Not sure on what motor/battery system it uses to be honest. If it is the same as the eGolf then it is simply lightness/simplicity that gives the Mii decent warm weather efficiency. It does have the 'VW pink' coolant fluid for the batteries so there is some temp control unlike a Leaf for example. It has frustrated me really, as I have said before, I genuinely like the Mii, but in cold weather we have gone from a genuine 160 miles down to 100-ish and that is too much of a compromise.
If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
That is a huge drop. In our hands eGolf went from 140 in summer to 90 in winter. If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
The ID3 and Born with a far greater amount of motorway mix than the Golf went from 220 summer to 180 winter, so comparatively far less of a drop.
plfrench said:
stickylabels said:
Not sure on what motor/battery system it uses to be honest. If it is the same as the eGolf then it is simply lightness/simplicity that gives the Mii decent warm weather efficiency. It does have the 'VW pink' coolant fluid for the batteries so there is some temp control unlike a Leaf for example. It has frustrated me really, as I have said before, I genuinely like the Mii, but in cold weather we have gone from a genuine 160 miles down to 100-ish and that is too much of a compromise.
If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
That is a huge drop. In our hands eGolf went from 140 in summer to 90 in winter. If it was still giving (in cold weather) a genuine 115-120 miles then I would keep it but despite all my efforts to encourage that, it's just not happening unfortunately.
In regard to Teslas giving 4 m/kwh, the Mii struggles with that if used as an out of town car, then you have 1/2 the weight, week heating and not much in the way of creature comforts etc. I only tried one longish dual carriageway journey and it was out of its depth to be honest, great around town though!
I have looked at MG4's, 500e's and driven a Cupra Born. The first two don't seem to get anywhere near claimed ranges by anyone who has tried regardless of conditions and the Cupra's haptic buttons drove me straight back to the showroom. I can see me going down the i3 route with a heat pump as the 42kw versions still seem to give 140 miles when cold and that is the extra range I need on a daily basis as worst case scenario. They also don't tend to have all the assists that need switched off every time you get in!
The ID3 and Born with a far greater amount of motorway mix than the Golf went from 220 summer to 180 winter, so comparatively far less of a drop.
somouk said:
I was getting similar the other day coming back out of Birmingham.
Does anyone elses car always reset to 22 every time it is locked and left for a period of time? Really annoys me!
mine did but ten mins with OBD eleven fixed it, and the lane following thing, that sees a skidmark and veers off, Does anyone elses car always reset to 22 every time it is locked and left for a period of time? Really annoys me!
both now stays at the last position it was at.
looks like VAG won't be releasing a replacement anytime soon, atleast someone is bringing back the city EV
Looks like it will undercut the e-c3 too
Looks like it will undercut the e-c3 too
Have had my MII electric since 2021 on a 2 year cheap lease. Extended last year and thinking to extend again this year if possible. It will be over 3 years old but the amount of mileage that I do in the city and minimal costs. I don't see anything else available that is even close in terms of cost.
zayn said:
Have had my MII electric since 2021 on a 2 year cheap lease. Extended last year and thinking to extend again this year if possible. It will be over 3 years old but the amount of mileage that I do in the city and minimal costs. I don't see anything else available that is even close in terms of cost.
My wife's on a cheap 2 year lease on the e-Up, did they increase the monthlies when you extended? And please can you let us know the outcome of the request to extend for another year. I have every expectation my wife will want to keep our e-Up for as long as humanly possible, it's brilliant.And from my past experience of extending a VWFS lease, ask for a new extension quote every month in the last 6 months, the number will be different every time (with no rhyme or reason to the huge variances) and you can just pick which one to accept. That's what I did on a Golf a few years ago.
JQ said:
My wife's on a cheap 2 year lease on the e-Up, did they increase the monthlies when you extended? And please can you let us know the outcome of the request to extend for another year. I have every expectation my wife will want to keep our e-Up for as long as humanly possible, it's brilliant.
And from my past experience of extending a VWFS lease, ask for a new extension quote every month in the last 6 months, the number will be different every time (with no rhyme or reason to the huge variances) and you can just pick which one to accept. That's what I did on a Golf a few years ago.
Our terms stayed the same when we extended. It's a win win for them because the three year lease was cheaper on a monthly basis (but hindsight is a great thing and all that)And from my past experience of extending a VWFS lease, ask for a new extension quote every month in the last 6 months, the number will be different every time (with no rhyme or reason to the huge variances) and you can just pick which one to accept. That's what I did on a Golf a few years ago.
l354uge said:
looks like VAG won't be releasing a replacement anytime soon, atleast someone is bringing back the city EV
Looks like it will undercut the e-c3 too
Increases the competition, and there are a few Chinese manufacturers here now or soon.Looks like it will undercut the e-c3 too
l354uge said:
Our terms stayed the same when we extended. It's a win win for them because the three year lease was cheaper on a monthly basis (but hindsight is a great thing and all that)
mine stayed same. just under £150. Have recently received an email from Seat regarding hand back terms when the extension comes to an end in July. Will definitely be extendingSeen this recently , considering the extreme weather. It has done well
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