re Hybrid version of the 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD eCVT SE

[wyson]

alfaspecial said:

Thanks for the replies. We had a test drive of the Jazz yesterday. Very impressed. Seemed to be quite an improvement over our ancient one.
TBH, I wish I hadn't posted this thread - I've opened a real can of worms and perhaps we should have a try of a true BEV?

Wyson today 0.09
I'll have to look into reliability surveys. Obviously you are right - are existing (ICE) manufacturers able to make BEVs etc

Not sure to be honest. Only really looked into Tesla and VAG BEV products, they both have their issues.

I think the Jazz is a good choice. Would be my top choice if I was in the market for that size of car. Really like the current Civic as well. Makes a lot of sense for my life circumstances. Lots of school runs during the day with longer day trips in the weekend. Keep reading about the poor state of the charging network so don’t want to rely on that, esp with little kids, being stuck queuing for 2 hours for a charge in the middle of nowhere would be a nightmare.

Running costs are very similar to BEV too on standard rate electricity (Im not able to take advantage of cheap nighttime tariffs because both the Mrs and I work from home), whatcar was getting 100mpg in the Jazz and 80mpg in the Civic in their simulated urban routes. The Honda salesman told me the Civic he runs gets 40 something mpg on the motorway and 50 something mpg around town so still very good, even if you aren’t hypermiling.

At the moment, because of child seats, I’m looking at getting a Qashqai e power which has a very similar hybridised electric drive to the Honda’s. These hybridised electric drives seems to offer the best of both worlds.

Edited by wyson on Tuesday 14th March 08:29

[Whataguy]

If you're not driving every day, and also when you are staying in a holiday cottage, it might be fine just to plug it into a 3 pin socket.

When I had an ID3 loan car I plugged it into a house socket and it said 20 hours for a full charge but I only needed a couple of hours for the short trip I was doing that day.

Even 20 hours would have been fine as I usually don't drive the full range every day and can sometimes go a day or two without using it.

[alfaspecial]

Just an update. We did opt for a Jazz. Purchased the outgoing model though Carwow with a decent discount, will be picking it up next month.
Strangely, although we intended to be 'cash' purchasers - it was cheaper to buy it using a 12 month car loan - paying 'x' in interest but benefiting from an additional discount AND 5 years 'paid for' serving. Go figure?

So, we've gone down the hybrid, not full electric route - perhaps in a few years time a full EV will be best but, for us, at this moment in time - given our range issues and lack of charging infrastructure in the SW - we will be sticking with (hybrid) petrol.


Thanks one and all for your input.

[Whataguy]

The UK 'owners club' forum for the Mk4 Jazz is worth checking out, I used to be a member there and picked up lots of useful information while I had mine:

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?board=162.0

There is also a great guide on how to switch off the RDMS system easily and fairly quickly. Driving on country roads, I had to do it every trip.

[jet_noise]

alfaspecial said:

Just an update. We did opt for a Jazz. Purchased the outgoing model though Carwow with a decent discount, will be picking it up next month.
Strangely, although we intended to be 'cash' purchasers - it was cheaper to buy it using a 12 month car loan - paying 'x' in interest but benefiting from an additional discount AND 5 years 'paid for' serving. Go figure?

So, we've gone down the hybrid, not full electric route - perhaps in a few years time a full EV will be best but, for us, at this moment in time - given our range issues and lack of charging infrastructure in the SW - we will be sticking with (hybrid) petrol.


Thanks one and all for your input.

Did you try a Yaris?

Mrs Noise (and others of my family) are serial/multiple Jazz buyers. Indeed I've the first one she bought as my shed. 120k miles and still drives well. Although bits are beginning to erode Waiting till something big goes, perhaps clutch, seems to have an appetite for rear calipers.

Anyway, back on topic...
...we test drove a new one last year. Were so impressed we didn't bother with the other shortlisted Yaris!

Took a while for her to get wholly used to it. We have the middle model without satnav. Use mobile (TomTom for her, Google maps for me)+Android auto to the centre screen.
Lifts its skirts enough to overtake. Odd not to have rev counter although I can see why the petrol/electric+mechanical lockup (not a conventional CVT) mitigates that loss.
A bit funereal inside and fugly on the outside, especially from the front, think cauliflower nose.

Took a while also to get nearer the advertised economy, loosened up well now.
We both find the lane warning annoyingly overenthusiastic. Three button presses to turn it off every time.

[Pica-Pica]

Undercover McNoName said:

Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with a Honda Jazz, at all, but I do own an Alfa Romeo and have access to Yaris hybrids and Renault Zoe's at my job.

If I was faced with the choice of CVT hybrid or an EV, I would always go with an EV.

The Honda Jazz E-HEV has no CVT. in fact it has no gear box. The drive system goes thus:
Electric motor drives wheels using battery power.
Engine runs at its most efficient and recharges the battery by a generator, when needed.
When speed matches the engines most efficient mode, a clutch engages and drives the wheels directly. That is effectively a single speed gear. When you come down out of the engine’s efficiency range, the electric motor takes over, and the engine stays in its most efficient mode to charge the battery (if needed).
Regenerative braking is of course available.