Dealer: the Taycan was good for us; it's now a disaster
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Richard-G said:
600 taycans on auto trader now and the prices are dropping In line with demand, I'll try and get out of my M3 long range and into one around october. Hoping for 60k. I wouldn't mind the rwd drive one with the 94kwh battery. Similar range to an M3 LR.
This 4S (not this one specifically) was a 75k car late last year...
I can highly recommend the 4S although a few posters have indicated the Taycan has suffered build issues.This 4S (not this one specifically) was a 75k car late last year...
I had both the Saloon and Tourissmo for a total of about 3 months, the latter is defiantly more practicable but in my opinion not as good looking.
Used car prices will continue to fall from the the inflated figures we have had or the last year or so.
If there's that many on autotrader and this type of thing gets published - https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/used-car-d... - then you might want to wait a while and get one even cheaper.
rodericb said:
If there's that many on autotrader and this type of thing gets published - https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/used-car-d... - then you might want to wait a while and get one even cheaper.
This has already been discussed previously. Over inflated prices are seeing a realignment. I'm not going to shed any tears for car retailers.
ICE cars are dropping as well.
It's simply a supply versus demand rebalancing.
The market will stabilise in a few months time.
DonkeyApple said:
We're the 7th most affluent economy on the planet
I really do wish this old chestnut wasn't trotted out by intelligent posters such as yourself.In general usage, affluent is a relative term. In common usage, an affluent neighbourhood isn't one in which the sum of all wealth is large; it is one in which the individual residents are wealthy / asset-rich / whatever.
In some sort of absolute sense, we're maybe the 11th most affluent, but that doesn't reflect our ability to actually purchase things. In terms of disposable income and purchasing power, we're maybe 14th. Accounting for cost of living, pre the current cost of living crisis we were ranked perhaps 20th.
Also worth noting that, even pre-pandemic, we hadn't fully recovered on the last metric from before the GFC. Our economy - and place in the world - has been in something of a relative tail-spin for 15 years or so.
Monkeylegend said:
Indeed. That's less positive than me, and says 30th. I tend to try to choose stats that filter out odd effects like tax havens.theboss said:
Whatever the definition of wealthy, the UK certainly isn’t 20th on the list of global markets if you’re in the business of selling Taycans.
That is, of course, a slightly different point, and worthy of a bit of exploration. Why is the UK so high on the list of Taycan-buying nations?A part of it of course is the inequality in UK earnings - many of our peers are much less unequal, which by its nature tends to limit the market for high-priced Taycans. That of course is yet another reason why tax breaks for Taycans don't make a lot of sense.
Which of our peers are much less equal?
Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
theboss said:
Which of our peers are much less equal?
Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
Some of us believe in the support of others and do not feel dragged down by anyone.Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
I'm glad I do not carry that burden of prejudice.
skwdenyer said:
That is, of course, a slightly different point, and worthy of a bit of exploration. Why is the UK so high on the list of Taycan-buying nations?
A part of it of course is the inequality in UK earnings - many of our peers are much less unequal, which by its nature tends to limit the market for high-priced Taycans. That of course is yet another reason why tax breaks for Taycans don't make a lot of sense.
The car that you drive is particularly important in the UK also. One can compare with France where cars don’t mean anything. I used to have a French manager who was well off and he drove a Clio. Which is its own anti-cool I think. Germany is all about the Autobahn so I can’t imagine Taycans are a big seller. High speed diesels rule there. A part of it of course is the inequality in UK earnings - many of our peers are much less unequal, which by its nature tends to limit the market for high-priced Taycans. That of course is yet another reason why tax breaks for Taycans don't make a lot of sense.
Nomme de Plum said:
theboss said:
Which of our peers are much less equal?
Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
Some of us believe in the support of others and do not feel dragged down by anyone.Germany, which is an even larger market?
Scandinavian countries which buy loads of expensive EVs on a per capita basis?
India? US?
The UK must be one of the most equal developed countries around when you consider anyone with half an ounce of aspiration gets dragged down by the weight of the economically inactive.
I'm glad I do not carry that burden of prejudice.
.Why do you think Taycans are suddenly so popular?
People don’t like 50%+ of earnings confiscated so would rather drive an electric Porsche instead.
skwdenyer said:
That is, of course, a slightly different point, and worthy of a bit of exploration. Why is the UK so high on the list of Taycan-buying nations?
A part of it of course is the inequality in UK earnings - many of our peers are much less unequal, which by its nature tends to limit the market for high-priced Taycans. That of course is yet another reason why tax breaks for Taycans don't make a lot of sense.
This country is the 4th biggest market for Porsche. They sell a lot of Taycans here partly because a lot of people (relatively speaking) buy Porsches (all sorts of different models here) and have done for a while. A part of it of course is the inequality in UK earnings - many of our peers are much less unequal, which by its nature tends to limit the market for high-priced Taycans. That of course is yet another reason why tax breaks for Taycans don't make a lot of sense.
https://www.porscheretailgroup.co.uk/news/2023/por...
Almost 30% of new Porsches sold here in 2022 were Macans. Why is the UK on the list of Macan buying nations?
Regarding other countries;
Thailand has proved to be the “second biggest” market after Norway when it comes to Porsche’s electrified Cayenne models.
Asked to comment on how Porsche, once regarded as a high-end supercar manufacturer with a handful number of sales in Thailand each year, rocketed to become a household name, Peter Rohwer, managing director of Porsche Thailand, attributed the success to modern technology.
“In the past Porsches might have been expensive sports cars to buy, but today new technology such as hybrids and EVs has helped to bring the prices down (due to special tax breaks),” he said, adding that offering engine sizes of no larger than three litres also help in minimizing retail prices.
According to Rohwer, who has been working in Thailand for 28 years, today Porsche customers in Thailand are getting younger, with as much as 35 per cent of buyers being female.
“In the past, the average age of Porsche buyers was 55 years old but today it has dropped to 42, which means that there are a lot more customers out there,” he said. “Entrepreneurs are becoming younger and they like a strong image when it comes to the cars they drive.”
https://www.nationthailand.com/business/automobile...
theboss said:
You do carry a burden of prejudice though - the judgment that someone who doesn’t share your ideological predisposition towards limitless wealth redistribution is some sort of virtueless .
Why do you think Taycans are suddenly so popular?
People don’t like 50%+ of earnings confiscated so would rather drive an electric Porsche instead.
I just consider myself to have been very lucky and my comment was a reflection of my feelings about myself. It was not meant as a slight so apologies I worded my post badly..Why do you think Taycans are suddenly so popular?
People don’t like 50%+ of earnings confiscated so would rather drive an electric Porsche instead.
I really don't care greatly how much tax I pay. Maybe if it was over 80% i would think differently. BTW I am now retired and pay a multiple of my state pension in tax.
There is no situation where I will be a net recipient before i die.
I reiterate I am lucky. Others are less so.
Taycans are not an SUV and actually quite good on the road and go like SOAS.
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