Why are used Audi e-tron so cheap?

[kambites]

The eTron looks better from about 68% upwards to me?

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

Luke. said:

I-Pace is great value right now too. Staring at about £23k.

A car for which I would suggest the dated technology suggestion does apply. 100kW max charge rate with a relatively poor curve, very dated and slow infotainment on the earlier cars etc.

If that doesn't bother you they are brilliant to drive though, far more dynamic than the etron.

For anyone who mostly chargers at home, they're indeed a bargain - I miss mine like crazy and it's only been a few days!!

I had the slow infotainment, it was irritating on occasion and the new pivi-pro system is a night and day improvement. But interface aside, the tech on the car is actually very good, spec dependent of course. I also really liked proper physical buttons for just about everything.

I'd say they're a bargain, but anyone buying one should keep it in warranty..

In general I think expensive EV's have always taken a big value hit and in addition to that, the economics of the EV market are changing rapidly and pulling down the residual value of all earlier cars. For now, I would suggest leasing is a safe bet if a person wants a new EV, but if buying used, there is a lot of choice and I doubt that the cars being discussed here will significantly drop much further in value over the next few years.

[theboss]

Evanivitch said:

The Y-axis scale isn't the same on those two diagrams...

The 800V system destroys the etron.

It doesn't appear that way between 70-100%

In any case I've never found rapid charging to be a problem in mine. I've done 10-80% or 20-100% plenty of times. In a higher range/capacity car (e.g. iX 50/M60) you might find you don't 'need' to do the 80-100% often if at all but at least for all its flaws the e-tron does this quite quickly.

In any case is there any large SUV with 800V architecture or will the Eletre be the first?

[SWoll]

Evanivitch said:

The Y-axis scale isn't the same on those two diagrams...

Yes I'm aware, was pointing out that once you get to a high SOC many 800v cars do fall of significantly so unless you are happy to do multiple stops it's not all that much quicker, especially if you take into account the number of chargers than can provide a consistent >150kW of power are still pretty limited.

theboss said:

In any case is there any large SUV with 800V architecture or will the Eletre be the first?

None that I can think of. Even the new IX60 and EQE/EQS SUV's are still 400v

Edited by SWoll on Monday 17th July 15:25

[JonnyVTEC]

kambites said:

The eTron looks better from about 68% upwards to me?

Problem is choose the battery save mode for etron 200kW and the derate is far less at higher SoS ie the benefit of higher voltage charging conductive path, the cells after all see the same voltage! No doubting its impressive on the etron and the Q8 lifted rate to 175kW to

Plus kW is only half of it of course, its how far those kWh take you - its not far in the fat etron 55.

[JonnyVTEC]

kambites said:

The eTron looks better from about 68% upwards to me?

In the real world you dont often charge much beyond that, only cross continental trips would you need to leave home full and stop and charge to 80 odd % in a single day driving.

[SWoll]

JonnyVTEC said:

kambites said:

The eTron looks better from about 68% upwards to me?

Problem is choose the battery save mode for etron 200kW and the derate is far less at higher SoS ie the benefit of higher voltage charging conductive path, the cells after all see the same voltage! No doubting its impressive on the etron and the Q8 lifted rate to 175kW to

Plus kW is only half of it of course, its how far those kWh take you - its not far in the fat etron 55.

Depends how far you need to go? Ours is regularly delivering 3 miles/kWh at the minute on any longer run, so 250 miles or so to a charge. Works well for us and isn't far off what we saw in our previous Model 3 Performance.

[andburg]

Same problem as all the used EVs atm, why buy a lightly used one when there are brand new ones for the same monthly outlay.

Newer, cheaper, more efficient alternatives are coming out all the time, may not have a premium badge but that’s not important to everybody

[OutInTheShed]

SWoll said:

Depends how far you need to go? Ours is regularly delivering 3 miles/kWh at the minute on any longer run, so 250 miles or so to a charge. Works well for us and isn't far off what we saw in our previous Model 3 Performance.

Once you accept you'll need to stop, do people really get that excited about whether it takes 35 minutes instead of 32 to put the next 120 miles of charge in?
Maybe it's a mild irritation for the people who fast charge their car more than once most weekends.

It's a general thing that easing off the charge rate as cells reach a higher SOC is good for cell life.

I don't think any of this is the reason these cars are 'only' worth £45k or whatever. It's a lot of money for a used car. Audi is mostly a repmobile badge these days, the ludicrous RRP is just to make the lease costs look nice.

[kambites]

OutInTheShed said:

I don't think any of this is the reason these cars are 'only' worth £45k or whatever. It's a lot of money for a used car. Audi is mostly a repmobile badge these days, the ludicrous RRP is just to make the lease costs look nice.

I think judging depreciation against the RRP of cars these days is somewhat meaningless because no-one pays RRP for cars. What matters to 90% of buyers is the cost of leasing, and what matters to 90% of the remaining 10% is depreciation against the actual amount they pay to buy the car, which wont be the RRP.

[dvs_dave]

Ooh…thanks for the heads up! They are indeed all of a sudden a bargain. Six months ago, not so much when I was looking and took one for a spin. Liked it a lot. One of these would suit us very well, replacing my old A8 that does mainly city work and an atrocious 9.9mpg (US Gal) average. We have 7kW home charging already as we have another EV, an eGolf just off lease that we picked up for an absolute song in 2019.

Do I have the stones to go to a full EV daily driver household?

[Gez79]

dvs_dave said:

Ooh…thanks for the heads up! They are indeed all of a sudden a bargain. Six months ago, not so much when I was looking and took one for a spin. Liked it a lot. One of these would suit us very well, replacing my old A8 that does mainly city work and an atrocious 9.9mpg (US Gal) average. We have 7kW home charging already as we have another EV, an eGolf just off lease that we picked up for an absolute song in 2019.

Do I have the stones to go to a full EV daily driver household?

From what I've read if you can get some wall chargers to charge two cars at once but it will half the rate so you'll only get 3.5kW.

[jke11y]

Looking closely at these and trying to find the catch.

Half a dozen 70 plate 50 techniks at local car supermarket for £25~26k and Audi main dealers now doing them with £2500 deposit contribution and a free home charger supplied and fitted. Makes them about £350 a month with little down.

Would be my wife’s car and only ever charged at home / never used on a long journey.

[theboss]

I think they are very good personally, I had an early '19 built 55 and generally they had some QA problems but I believe cars coming in MY2020 when they introduced the 50 and sportback variants are much better. I did about 43k miles in mine, mostly trouble free except one occasion when it needed some high voltage components replacing under warranty.

It was a nice thing to sit in, rode very smoothly and quietly and was practically sized. The 50's weren't as far behind the 55 in performance or range as the headline stats suggested because they are a few hundred kg lighter and slightly more efficient.

I would think as a general commuting/local car within the confines of its range they are very good value compared to something new and smaller for more money.

When I did DC charge it, I also found the broad charging curve very good vs cars with higher headline charging rates which in reality are very spikey.

[andy43]

jke11y said:

Looking closely at these and trying to find the catch.

Half a dozen 70 plate 50 techniks at local car supermarket for £25~26k and Audi main dealers now doing them with £2500 deposit contribution and a free home charger supplied and fitted. Makes them about £350 a month with little down.

Would be my wife’s car and only ever charged at home / never used on a long journey.

I don’t think there is a catch apart from not-class-leading efficiency which for a local use second car isn’t really relevant. Cheapest are now close to 20 grand - I don’t understand the specs but they look serious value for money. No idea on reliability etc. If they get any cheaper something like this as a shed/4wd/dog wagon would make sense to replace the Landcruiser 80 I sold! Nuts!

[Muzzer79]

jke11y said:

Looking closely at these and trying to find the catch.

Half a dozen 70 plate 50 techniks at local car supermarket for £25~26k and Audi main dealers now doing them with £2500 deposit contribution and a free home charger supplied and fitted. Makes them about £350 a month with little down.

Would be my wife’s car and only ever charged at home / never used on a long journey.

I think the perceived catch with them is

1. Limited range, in comparison to similar vehicles. Lots of stories about them dipping under 200 miles in range. Doesn't seem like it would be a problem for you.

2. The main issue, IMO, if they've depreciated that much now - how far are they going to go? If you're going PCP however, with a good GFV, then this won't be a problem.

[andy43]

Muzzer79 said:

I think the perceived catch with them is

1. Limited range, in comparison to similar vehicles. Lots of stories about them dipping under 200 miles in range. Doesn't seem like it would be a problem for you.

2. The main issue, IMO, if they've depreciated that much now - how far are they going to go? If you're going PCP however, with a good GFV, then this won't be a problem.

Our Honda E is less than 100 miles in winter - no problem - and the values of those have tanked too.

[riskyj]

If you can live with 180-200 miles range (I have a 55 Quattro) they are fantastic cars.

I have one on a salary sacrifice lease and got a good deal because the dealers were desperate to shift the last stock before Audi basically rebranded it as the Q8 etron (stupidly confusing model line up).

List price on mine was about £72k which is bonkers, but 0-60 in 5.5s for a 2.5 tonne SUV surprises a lot of people, and air suspension makes it a nice place to be.

[325iMSport]

jke11y said:

Looking closely at these and trying to find the catch.

Half a dozen 70 plate 50 techniks at local car supermarket for £25~26k and Audi main dealers now doing them with £2500 deposit contribution and a free home charger supplied and fitted. Makes them about £350 a month with little down.

Would be my wife’s car and only ever charged at home / never used on a long journey.

Does the free charger offer apply to used cars? I thought it was new only.

[Rory1984]

325iMSport said:

Does the free charger offer apply to used cars? I thought it was new only.

Indeed it does, £2,500 deposit contribution, free standard Ohme charger installation (they sting you £50 for surge protection) and warranty, breakdown, key cover, mot cover and services all for 2 years.

Collecting ours on Friday!