Why are used Audi e-tron so cheap?

[phil121081]

T_S_M said:

That range does sound particularly bad to be fair. What sort of journeys are you doing?

I took a drive to the coast on Sunday and when I stopped to charge I had 20 miles left and had done 153 miles. (Image below at the end of the day showing the m/kwh).



Averaging 150-170 miles to a charge from my 50 model at the moment.

Edited by T_S_M on Tuesday 13th February 19:06

It’s mainly short journeys (2-7 miles), all start stop through traffic. I never see over 2 mi/kwh. I did a longer journey, 30 miles on the motorway and that went up to 2.4.

It’s not an issue for my driving habits really, just think it should do more. If doesn’t improve in summer, will test how robust their clause is about battery life.

Does everyone charge to 100% or the suggested 80? I’ve been sticking to 80 but might try 100 and see.

The day I collected, had 100% charge, I drove 120 and had 40 remaining, I was ok with that in winter, just seems the short hops are really bad.

[SKM1984]

DSLiverpool said:

Tempted by a 55 Vorsprung at £40k but can’t help feeling it’s worth £25k the day after I buy it.
PCP deals are expensive due to zero residual as well

Ship has well and truly sailed unless burning money is a hobby!

[julians]

phil121081 said:

just seems the short hops are really bad.

Short hops are really bad, but its just because the heater has to warm the cabin up from cold every single time, then you drive a couple miles then let it cool again. My merc eqc is the same on short hops. But the thing is, does it really matter if the range on a long trip is what you need it to be? you just plug it in a bit more frequently over the course of a week.

If you're getting 1.9 to 2 m per kwh on short trips, then thats 3.9p per mile. Even If the efficiency of the car doubled and it did 4m pkwh (which would be unlikely at this time of year for many of the most efficient of ev's on short hops) , it'd be 1.9p per mile, yeah its half the cost, but its half of a small number to begin with,it might save you £15 per month.

Anyway you can kind of simulate what sort of efficiency you're going to get in thesummer by doing a few of these short trips with the heater off , it wont be totally accurate because the battery becomes more efficient at warmer temperatures, but it'll give you an idea of what to expect. My merc goes from 1.8- 2 mpkwh up to 2.8 to 3.5 mpkwh on short trips with the heater off at this time of year, when I tested it.

phil121081 said:

will test how robust their clause is about battery life.
.

I think if you're seeing 160 miles range when driving long motorway journeys then your battery is looking fine to me. EVDB reckons a real life highway range of 160 miles in warm weather for an etron 50, so if you're getting that in current temps then I dont think you have a battery health issue

https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1209/Audi-e-tron-50...

Edited by julians on Wednesday 14th February 09:09

[T_S_M]

phil121081 said:

It’s mainly short journeys (2-7 miles), all start stop through traffic. I never see over 2 mi/kwh. I did a longer journey, 30 miles on the motorway and that went up to 2.4.

It’s not an issue for my driving habits really, just think it should do more. If doesn’t improve in summer, will test how robust their clause is about battery life.

Does everyone charge to 100% or the suggested 80? I’ve been sticking to 80 but might try 100 and see.

The day I collected, had 100% charge, I drove 120 and had 40 remaining, I was ok with that in winter, just seems the short hops are really bad.

I always just charge mine up to 100%. It might degrade the battery over time but I only have it for another 14 months anyway

As bad as it sounds, its not my problem really.

[cheeky_chops]

SteveF1 said:

cheeky_chops said:

update - TADTS - the drive shaft gaitors, apparently they "relax" over time and we only have 2k on it.

I also had a buzzing from the heating/ac - when i pressed "off" it went away. The technician came out when i dropped it off said there is a Audi TPI for it, involved moving some pipework, brackets which were rattling/buzzing. Went in at 10am and took an age (so much for while you wait...), laptop ran out of juice so went for some lunch and was ready at 3pm. I can still hear it too, just very faint now....

With regards to the gaiter, did they replace that or say that's a feature of the car?

"feature" - actually been fine on more mild mornings or when its started moving. Guess its the frosty mornings, not that ive had it in my previous 30 years of cars.............

[phil121081]

julians said:

phil121081 said:

just seems the short hops are really bad.

Short hops are really bad, but its just because the heater has to warm the cabin up from cold every single time, then you drive a couple miles then let it cool again. My merc eqc is the same on short hops. But the thing is, does it really matter if the range on a long trip is what you need it to be? you just plug it in a bit more frequently over the course of a week.

If you're getting 1.9 to 2 m per kwh on short trips, then thats 3.9p per mile. Even If the efficiency of the car doubled and it did 4m pkwh (which would be unlikely at this time of year for many of the most efficient of ev's on short hops) , it'd be 1.9p per mile, yeah its half the cost, but its half of a small number to begin with,it might save you £15 per month.

Anyway you can kind of simulate what sort of efficiency you're going to get in thesummer by doing a few of these short trips with the heater off , it wont be totally accurate because the battery becomes more efficient at warmer temperatures, but it'll give you an idea of what to expect. My merc goes from 1.8- 2 mpkwh up to 2.8 to 3.5 mpkwh on short trips with the heater off at this time of year, when I tested it.

phil121081 said:

will test how robust their clause is about battery life.
.

I think if you're seeing 160 miles range when driving long motorway journeys then your battery is looking fine to me. EVDB reckons a real life highway range of 160 miles in warm weather for an etron 50, so if you're getting that in current temps then I dont think you have a battery health issue

https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1209/Audi-e-tron-50...

Edited by julians on Wednesday 14th February 09:09

Useful to know comparisons, thanks.

I am not bothered by the range, its fine for my use for 99% of the time, an extra 20-50 miles isn't going to make any difference.

Just the thought of having a duffer would bother me.

I am sure it's all fine and 'average'. My Kodiaq never did the 40mpg they quoted either.

[Gerrymm11]

I had an unusual experience with an Audi main dealer today, just wondered what the general consensus was as I am fairly pi55ed!

So I had agreed to buy an e-tron from them and over the past week I have been negotiating the price with them. On Monday I emailed them and said if they can increase the dealer contribution to £2k then we have a deal. The initially said they would think about it and then emailed me to say they agreed to my request. Just to double-check I sent another email this morning stating what I believed my deposit would be (£1,500), what their deposit would be (£2,000) as well as monthly payments, APR and GFV. They came back and said they agreed.
I put a £1k deposit down this afternoon. I got a call from the dealer saying there had been a mistake and they could not put £2k in to the deal.
I am not really interested in pursuing them legally, even if there was a case to answer. I just think from a goodwill perspective they should honour the deal. I mean they probably bought the car for £8k to £10k less then I am paying.

Just wondered what others thought?

[youngsyr]

Gerrymm11 said:

I had an unusual experience with an Audi main dealer today, just wondered what the general consensus was as I am fairly pi55ed!

So I had agreed to buy an e-tron from them and over the past week I have been negotiating the price with them. On Monday I emailed them and said if they can increase the dealer contribution to £2k then we have a deal. The initially said they would think about it and then emailed me to say they agreed to my request. Just to double-check I sent another email this morning stating what I believed my deposit would be (£1,500), what their deposit would be (£2,000) as well as monthly payments, APR and GFV. They came back and said they agreed.
I put a £1k deposit down this afternoon. I got a call from the dealer saying there had been a mistake and they could not put £2k in to the deal.
I am not really interested in pursuing them legally, even if there was a case to answer. I just think from a goodwill perspective they should honour the deal. I mean they probably bought the car for £8k to £10k less then I am paying.

Just wondered what others thought?

What are they offering instead?

Any change to an agreement has to be acceptable to both parties. If they're chipping you on the deposit contribution, ask them to make it up elsewhere.

GFV increase? Free additional service and MOT? New set of tyres,

[DSLiverpool]

youngsyr said:

What are they offering instead?

Any change to an agreement has to be acceptable to both parties. If they're chipping you on the deposit contribution, ask them to make it up elsewhere.

GFV increase? Free additional service and MOT? New set of tyres,

2 years warranty, servicing and MOT cover included. As is a 7kw charger or additional £500 off the car.
It was £2500 deposit contribution recently.

[Gerrymm11]

DSLiverpool said:

2 years warranty, servicing and MOT cover included. As is a 7kw charger or additional £500 off the car.
It was £2500 deposit contribution recently.

Yes, sadly the £2.5k contribution ended in early January.

I just think at worst it could be a deceitful sales tactic and at best a mistake on their part.

[T_S_M]

Gerrymm11 said:

I had an unusual experience with an Audi main dealer today, just wondered what the general consensus was as I am fairly pi55ed!

So I had agreed to buy an e-tron from them and over the past week I have been negotiating the price with them. On Monday I emailed them and said if they can increase the dealer contribution to £2k then we have a deal. The initially said they would think about it and then emailed me to say they agreed to my request. Just to double-check I sent another email this morning stating what I believed my deposit would be (£1,500), what their deposit would be (£2,000) as well as monthly payments, APR and GFV. They came back and said they agreed.
I put a £1k deposit down this afternoon. I got a call from the dealer saying there had been a mistake and they could not put £2k in to the deal.
I am not really interested in pursuing them legally, even if there was a case to answer. I just think from a goodwill perspective they should honour the deal. I mean they probably bought the car for £8k to £10k less then I am paying.

Just wondered what others thought?

When I bought mine from an Audi main dealer, they advertised it as having 18k miles and all of the finance and paperwork I signed was based on that mileage too. When the car finally arrived at the dealer it actually had 28k miles on it. The dealer were very quick to amend the price to keep the deal the same. They knocked £1000 off the car to make the finance payments remain the same. I think it's classed as false advertising which they can get in a lot of trouble for, but slightly different to your situation?

It was the only good thing they did to be fair

If you've got it all in writing from multiple occasions I'd be asking for something to keep the finance payments the same (reduce car price etc).

[LayZ]

I also have been perving on cheap e-trons. Does anyone know what spec you need to get level 2 autonomous driving (like motorway steering + adaptive cruise)? I think this comes with the Tour pack. I guess all the cheap 50 Techniks on AT don't have this?

[T_S_M]

LayZ said:

I also have been perving on cheap e-trons. Does anyone know what spec you need to get level 2 autonomous driving (like motorway steering + adaptive cruise)? I think this comes with the Tour pack. I guess all the cheap 50 Techniks on AT don't have this?

I'd be very shocked if you managed to find a cheap one that also had ACC (Adaptive Cruise Control). I think it was an expensive option on most models and a lot of the cheaper ones are unlikely to have it.

Just as an alternative to E-trons, Jaguar I-Pace are also around the same sort of money on PCP, however not usually at main dealers and don't come with a charger.

[T_S_M]

Example of the Jaguar I-Pace’ available on PCP. Not quite the same “freebies” as the E-trons had but ok if you’ve already got a charger.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024013160...




Again, just hand it back at the end of the 2 years.

[Mikehig]

Gerrymm11 said:

I had an unusual experience with an Audi main dealer today, just wondered what the general consensus was as I am fairly pi55ed!

So I had agreed to buy an e-tron from them and over the past week I have been negotiating the price with them. On Monday I emailed them and said if they can increase the dealer contribution to £2k then we have a deal. The initially said they would think about it and then emailed me to say they agreed to my request. Just to double-check I sent another email this morning stating what I believed my deposit would be (£1,500), what their deposit would be (£2,000) as well as monthly payments, APR and GFV. They came back and said they agreed.
I put a £1k deposit down this afternoon. I got a call from the dealer saying there had been a mistake and they could not put £2k in to the deal.
I am not really interested in pursuing them legally, even if there was a case to answer. I just think from a goodwill perspective they should honour the deal. I mean they probably bought the car for £8k to £10k less then I am paying.

Just wondered what others thought?

I wouldn't call your experience unusual. As a family we've never had anything other than poor-to-appalling treatment from Audi, both on sales and service.

[newberry]

Gerrymm11 said:

I had an unusual experience with an Audi main dealer today, just wondered what the general consensus was as I am fairly pi55ed!

So I had agreed to buy an e-tron from them and over the past week I have been negotiating the price with them. On Monday I emailed them and said if they can increase the dealer contribution to £2k then we have a deal. The initially said they would think about it and then emailed me to say they agreed to my request. Just to double-check I sent another email this morning stating what I believed my deposit would be (£1,500), what their deposit would be (£2,000) as well as monthly payments, APR and GFV. They came back and said they agreed.
I put a £1k deposit down this afternoon. I got a call from the dealer saying there had been a mistake and they could not put £2k in to the deal.
I am not really interested in pursuing them legally, even if there was a case to answer. I just think from a goodwill perspective they should honour the deal. I mean they probably bought the car for £8k to £10k less then I am paying.

Just wondered what others thought?

Surely you just say ok and ask for your deposit back and go elsewhere?

[Richtea1970]

T_S_M said:

Example of the Jaguar I-Pace’ available on PCP. Not quite the same “freebies” as the E-trons had but ok if you’ve already got a charger.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024013160...




Again, just hand it back at the end of the 2 years.

Unless that’s a main dealer with a bulletproof warranty I wouldn’t go near it. The iPace is a fantastic car but when something goes wrong it’s a whole world of pain.

[T_S_M]

Richtea1970 said:

Unless that’s a main dealer with a bulletproof warranty I wouldn’t go near it. The iPace is a fantastic car but when something goes wrong it’s a whole world of pain.

Yes that is a consideration. You get a "Full 12 months warranty", however I'm sure that's not even worth the paper its written on.

[WhiskyDisco]

I had a ride in an e-Tron this weekend. Sitting in the back it was a dark, rattly world of hard plastics and cheap feeling seat material. Next to an i-Pace you wouldn't give it a secodn thought.

I was sat there thinking - £40k for this thing?

[jke11y]

WhiskyDisco said:

I had a ride in an e-Tron this weekend. Sitting in the back it was a dark, rattly world of hard plastics and cheap feeling seat material. Next to an i-Pace you wouldn't give it a secodn thought.

I was sat there thinking - £40k for this thing?

Exactly my thoughts back on page 3 when these cheap ones started coming up. Fine for the money they are now, but at their original price? No way.