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dmsims said:
Assuming that is for the car in the advert, the issue is with no other points of reference it's impossible to tell whether that is good or bad for a 6 year old 92k mile example?Doing a bit of research 2% degradation per year when covering 10k miles is about average so this car being at 85% after almost 6 years and 15k miles per year looks about right? Assuming that continues at a similar rate then in another 5 years it'll be around 75%, which will still offer a very useable range for a lot of potential buyers (150-200 miles)?
It's not the car in the advert
I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla
Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?
I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla
Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?
SWoll said:
Assuming that is for the car in the advert, the issue is with no other points of reference it's impossible to tell whether that is good or bad for a 6 year old 92k mile example?
Doing a bit of research 2% degradation per year when covering 10k miles is about average so this car being at 85% after almost 6 years and 15k miles per year looks about right? Assuming that continues at a similar rate then in another 5 years it'll be around 75%, which will still offer a very useable range for a lot of potential buyers (150-200 miles)?
Doing a bit of research 2% degradation per year when covering 10k miles is about average so this car being at 85% after almost 6 years and 15k miles per year looks about right? Assuming that continues at a similar rate then in another 5 years it'll be around 75%, which will still offer a very useable range for a lot of potential buyers (150-200 miles)?
cj2013 said:
What's the craic there? They do tend to have the best prices around.
They do seem to be a bit of a PITA with a lot of stock though - anything you might be interested in (even that one, for example) appears to be 'reserved'. Not sure how, as they don't have the AT option, and there's nothing on their website either.
There's a strong chance I'd have taken a risk on it if they'd have been willing to even offer it for sale, but that weird "I know you're hear but some random person who isn't here has bagsy'd a look at it" way of doing this is quite off-putting
My experience with them was not good. I put a deposit down on a Tesla they had for sale, travelled 2 hours to view it. "Sorry, sir, not sure why that vehicle is available for sale - it's broken, awaiting parts, won't enter Drive or Reverse".They do seem to be a bit of a PITA with a lot of stock though - anything you might be interested in (even that one, for example) appears to be 'reserved'. Not sure how, as they don't have the AT option, and there's nothing on their website either.
There's a strong chance I'd have taken a risk on it if they'd have been willing to even offer it for sale, but that weird "I know you're hear but some random person who isn't here has bagsy'd a look at it" way of doing this is quite off-putting
"Okay, can I see another of the Teslas you've got for sale?"
"yes, but you can only drive them if you commit to buy it first".
Interestingly, the day after, my pal called about the first Tesla; "Yes, sure, come see it, it's ready to go, feel free to put a deposit down!".
Your experience might vary, of course, but for me that was enough for me to demand my deposit to be returned & to leave.
blueacid said:
My experience with them was not good. I put a deposit down on a Tesla they had for sale, travelled 2 hours to view it. "Sorry, sir, not sure why that vehicle is available for sale - it's broken, awaiting parts, won't enter Drive or Reverse".
"Okay, can I see another of the Teslas you've got for sale?"
"yes, but you can only drive them if you commit to buy it first".
Interestingly, the day after, my pal called about the first Tesla; "Yes, sure, come see it, it's ready to go, feel free to put a deposit down!".
Your experience might vary, of course, but for me that was enough for me to demand my deposit to be returned & to leave.
I'd generally say that no one there seemed too interested in actually selling a vehicle."Okay, can I see another of the Teslas you've got for sale?"
"yes, but you can only drive them if you commit to buy it first".
Interestingly, the day after, my pal called about the first Tesla; "Yes, sure, come see it, it's ready to go, feel free to put a deposit down!".
Your experience might vary, of course, but for me that was enough for me to demand my deposit to be returned & to leave.
Shame, considering how all of the decent priced examples come from one of their locations
dmsims said:
It's not the car in the advert
I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla
Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?
Meaningless without context, and as above around 2% degradation per year appears to be the accepted norm for the vast majority of EV's and the iPace has been around for 6 years now.I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla
Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?
An iPace will average around 2.5 miles/kWh so when new will do around 215 miles with its 85 kWh battery. (CarWow managed 223 miles on the motorway in their EV range test)
Knock off 20% and a ten year old car should still average 170 miles. I could live with that very easily, as I'm sure could many other potential purchasers
1. Compare degradation to Tesla (it's much higher on the Jag)
2. Older cars (which is what we are discussing) will not do the range you are suggesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJEfgeo-MA
The Carwow test drove them till they died - are you going to that in real life?
2. Older cars (which is what we are discussing) will not do the range you are suggesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJEfgeo-MA
The Carwow test drove them till they died - are you going to that in real life?
SWoll said:
Meaningless without context, and as above around 2% degradation per year appears to be the accepted norm for the vast majority of EV's and the iPace has been around for 6 years now.
An iPace will average around 2.5 miles/kWh so when new will do around 215 miles with its 85 kWh battery. (CarWow managed 223 miles on the motorway in their EV range test)
Knock off 20% and a ten year old car should still average 170 miles. I could live with that very easily, as I'm sure could many other potential purchasers
An iPace will average around 2.5 miles/kWh so when new will do around 215 miles with its 85 kWh battery. (CarWow managed 223 miles on the motorway in their EV range test)
Knock off 20% and a ten year old car should still average 170 miles. I could live with that very easily, as I'm sure could many other potential purchasers
Six weeks in to ipace life all going well so far. The odd glitch in the infotainment but resolved itself. Was getting 210 miles showing on full charge end of March when I picked it up, now up to around 245. This on a 2019 SE.
Overall loving the car, handles superbly on the twisty roads of north wales and acceleration is almost violent when you floor it.
Only slight niggle it took a lot of fiddling to find a comfy position in the seat. Wondering if the HSE sports seats might be worth the extra for the lumbar support.
Overall loving the car, handles superbly on the twisty roads of north wales and acceleration is almost violent when you floor it.
Only slight niggle it took a lot of fiddling to find a comfy position in the seat. Wondering if the HSE sports seats might be worth the extra for the lumbar support.
rikdogguk said:
Six weeks in to ipace life all going well so far. The odd glitch in the infotainment but resolved itself. Was getting 210 miles showing on full charge end of March when I picked it up, now up to around 245. This on a 2019 SE.
Excuse my ignorance but does that mean if you're only charging to the often quoted 80% your current range would actually be around 196 miles (i.e. 80% of 245) and in (presumably) colder weather the lower figure of 210 miles would become 168 miles? Still fine for most people if they can charge at home but just checking!I limit mine to 80% on quick top ups at fast chargers (mainly because the rate slows so much after this) but on slow standard home chargers I rarely bother limiting it. And I always charge to 100% before a trip. It's now 2 years old and has done 20K miles and range seems identical to when I first got it - about 200 in very cold weather, and 240 when it's warmer (and mine spends much of its time on motorways at proper speeds 
rather than hypermiling in the inside lane).
And that fits with the average efficiency since new (2.7 m/kWh). Not very efficient compared to a Tesla but it's a much better drive, and place to sit. I'd be prepared to take a mpg hit for a luxury ICE, and - at 7.5p per kWH on Octopus Intelligent (I charge almost exclusively at home) the extra expense in an EV is negligible. And it seems better than my brother's Taycan ST which has averaged 2.5. But that may be his lead foot...
rather than hypermiling in the inside lane).And that fits with the average efficiency since new (2.7 m/kWh). Not very efficient compared to a Tesla but it's a much better drive, and place to sit. I'd be prepared to take a mpg hit for a luxury ICE, and - at 7.5p per kWH on Octopus Intelligent (I charge almost exclusively at home) the extra expense in an EV is negligible. And it seems better than my brother's Taycan ST which has averaged 2.5. But that may be his lead foot...
Edited by Discombobulate on Sunday 12th May 15:55
Discombobulate said:
I limit mine to 80% on quick top ups at fast chargers (mainly because the rate slows so much after this) but on slow standard home chargers I rarely bother limiting it. And I always charge to 100% before a trip. It's now 2 years old and has done 20K miles and range seems identical to when I first got it - about 200 in very cold weather, and 240 when it's warmer (and mine spends much of its time on motorways at proper speeds rather than hypermiling in the inside lane).
On public chargers I only ever charge for what I need to reach a destination chargers, always cheaper or basically free if at home. rather than hypermiling in the inside lane).Come to think of it, with so many public high speed chargers now, I don't think I've actually spentore that 15 minutes charging away from home in the last 2 years. Kinda makes sense given the UK is a small island and it's quite difficult to go far enough to exhaust the initial range plus another full charge!
I no longer have the iPace but in the i4 10-15 minutes is 10+ miles typically. It's 'enough'.
JNW1 said:
rikdogguk said:
Six weeks in to ipace life all going well so far. The odd glitch in the infotainment but resolved itself. Was getting 210 miles showing on full charge end of March when I picked it up, now up to around 245. This on a 2019 SE.
Excuse my ignorance but does that mean if you're only charging to the often quoted 80% your current range would actually be around 196 miles (i.e. 80% of 245) and in (presumably) colder weather the lower figure of 210 miles would become 168 miles? Still fine for most people if they can charge at home but just checking!So currently looking at all the salary sacrifice lease options and I keep coming back to an iPace.
Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
nufcfan said:
So currently looking at all the salary sacrifice lease options and I keep coming back to an iPace.
Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
If the range and charging speed (slower than the latest stuff) fits I would say go for it. Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
It’s a lease. It’s under warranty, being a 2024 model it’ll unlikely suffer from LG Chem battery module and it’s a lovely place to be if you go for a HSE spec.
giggity said:
nufcfan said:
So currently looking at all the salary sacrifice lease options and I keep coming back to an iPace.
Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
If the range and charging speed (slower than the latest stuff) fits I would say go for it. Are there any good reasons not to take a 3y lease on one now in mid 2024. C most of the journeys I do will be <100 miles and can install a home charger - I think it would be rare to need to use public charging and maybe only 4x per year would do more than 200 miles in a single day.
It has the performance, AWD, and looks to beat anything else I am looking at.
What am I missing? Clearly avoiding depreciation etc with the lease.
It’s a lease. It’s under warranty, being a 2024 model it’ll unlikely suffer from LG Chem battery module and it’s a lovely place to be if you go for a HSE spec.
If possible go for adaptive suspension and air suspension... not critical but really does make the car a jack of all trades.
iPace may be 'old' but you still won't find a better, more fun all rounder
ETA: Actually 'HSE' spec is now reduced in terms of kit, the top spec which is the former HSE equivalent is now 'sport'. HSE still good though.
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 13th May 14:02
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