Anyone giving up EV?

[limpsfield]

Chasing Potatoes said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Goodness me, and I'm feeling depressed just reading that. It does just show how different we all are though for sure.

Lee. Honestly mate. For your own sanity just leave the EV threads alone.

Agreed. You don't have to worry about this stuff for years.

Don't get depressed on someone else's behalf.

[Paul_M3]

cerb4.5lee said:

tr3a said:

I'll never go back to ICE. It's last century's tech: noisy, dirty, wasteful, unsustainable, antisocial, stupidly inefficient and - for me - way too expensive to run. My wife just bought her own EV and she's never going back to ICE either. I have one ICE car left (a classic that I've owned for almost 30 years) which will be sold this year.

Edited by tr3a on Thursday 11th April 17:25

Goodness me, and I'm feeling depressed just reading that. It does just show how different we all are though for sure.

I mean, from a purely factual point of view it’s hard to argue with anything he said.

I’ve had my leased EV for three years, and I’ve got a replacement EV coming within the next fortnight.

Realistically I don’t think I would ever want to go back to an ICE car as a daily driver. It does make ICE seem like very outdated technology.

However, I am and always have been a massive petrolhead. I love petrol engines, the noise, the involvement of a manual gearbox etc, but only when I’m driving for fun these days. That’s why an Exige 410 sits on the drive alongside the EV. I’m not sure they could be more different, but both are fantastic at their respective roles.

In terms of this thread, there are many work colleagues who are coming to the end of their three year lease from when our scheme was introduced at work. I haven’t yet spoken to anybody who is going back to ICE. All the people I know have ordered their second EV.

[cerb4.5lee]

limpsfield said:

Chasing Potatoes said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Goodness me, and I'm feeling depressed just reading that. It does just show how different we all are though for sure.

Lee. Honestly mate. For your own sanity just leave the EV threads alone.

Agreed. You don't have to worry about this stuff for years.

Don't get depressed on someone else's behalf.

Yes and I think you're both right.

[cerb4.5lee]

tr3a said:

cerb4.5lee said:

tr3a said:

I'll never go back to ICE. It's last century's tech: noisy, dirty, wasteful, unsustainable, antisocial, stupidly inefficient and - for me - way too expensive to run. My wife just bought her own EV and she's never going back to ICE either. I have one ICE car left (a classic that I've owned for almost 30 years) which will be sold this year.

Goodness me, and I'm feeling depressed just reading that. It does just show how different we all are though for sure.

Why are you feeling depressed? Times change and we better change with them. Resisting (inevitable) change is futile and extremely tiring and dwelling on the past makes a chap bitter and apt to delusion.

As to ICE classics: I've had my share. The ones I've been privileged enough to be the custodian of were fun. But after many years, the challenge - and therefore the adventure of it - has gone. I've driven them everywhere, I know how they drive, I've taken them apart and put them back together again and now, whenever something needs maintenance or goes wrong, I know what to do because I've done it before. It gets to be a chore and that's no good.

Yes and I think depressed was probably a bit too strong. It is just that I still love ICE myself loads though. However I presume that you're a lot older than me though, so you just fancy a change now, and you're embracing the future far more than I am I reckon.

[Ken_Code]

cerb4.5lee said:

Yes and I think depressed was probably a bit too strong. It is just that I still love ICE myself loads though. However I presume that you're a lot older than me though, so you just fancy a change now, and you're embracing the future far more than I am I reckon.

Most of my cars are still petrol (and not a straight four among them) but for our little around-town car electric is absolutely perfect. An ICE car would involve a compromise relative to it.

I’m far from old, but even as someone who likes fast cars and bikes mainly for their handling there are use cases for which electric is perfect.

Taking a 650bhp 5 litre Range Rover on the school run is not as pleasant as taking the electric Smart.

[cerb4.5lee]

Ken_Code said:

Most of my cars are still petrol (and not a straight four among them) but for our little around-town car electric is absolutely perfect. An ICE car would involve a compromise relative to it.

I’m far from old, but even as someone who likes fast cars and bikes mainly for their handling there are use cases for which electric is perfect.

Taking a 650bhp 5 litre Range Rover on the school run is not as pleasant as taking the electric Smart.

I do have a serious passion for ICE for definite. However I have said a few times before...that an EV as a runaround certainly makes a lot of sense for sure.

[DodgyGeezer]

we're a little under halfway through our period with a MY LR and are not guaranteed to stay EV. We're not 100% sold on it at the moment, it's let us down a few times (partially our fault to be fair). Friend of ours has had quite a few issues with his which is also playing into our potential decision-making process.

[paul chocks]

I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit over the last few weeks. I’ve had my e-golf nearly 6 years now and just approaching 85000 miles, so it’s well used.
When I bought it, I had a daily round trip commute of 70 miles which the golf handled well. I was always going the same way as other commuters, and the roads were busy. Driving the golf was easy and relaxed.
Two years ago, I switched jobs and although the daily mileage is much the same, I’m going against the flow and have quiet roads. A couple of months ago my wife’s car was off the road, and she borrowed the golf - meanwhile I used our 3rd car (ICE) as my daily for a month. I couldn’t believe how much I enjoyed driving it. All the sensations were alive. My golf had completely shut down my senses - no sound, no smell, no real feel to the driving and no buttons or switches - just touch screen distractions.
I’ve considered replacement EVs, but there is nothing that interests me, so I’m thinking of getting a fun ICE while I still can. If I don’t I’ll probably keep the golf and run it till it dies.
Re cost - yes the golf saved me a lot over my previous inefficient diesel, but I’m in a position where the enjoyment of driving is still a factor. I could eat cheaper than I do, but I choose to eat what I enjoy rather than the cheapest. Holidays too. And while I can enjoy the drive, paying a bit more to do so makes sense to me.
Sure, if I was caught up in the hustle of the commuter train I’d stick with EV. It’s horses for courses and there is no size fits all.

[Screechmr2]

as much as I like the an ice car I can't see myself getting another one unless I get a track car. Did a 400+ mile trip in my ev (twice, good friday and last friday) and had no issues with range anxiety or even queueing for a charger. Only required a single charge stop each time (and arrived at the destination with 30% battery) which was combined with food so was more convenient than my previous cars because none of them would've made it without needing fuel so I would have needed a fuel stop as well as food.

Car sits on the drive charging, always ready to go, no standing at the petrol pump freezing my arse off in the winter is a massive bonus.

[Nomme de Plum]

paul chocks said:

I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit over the last few weeks. I’ve had my e-golf nearly 6 years now and just approaching 85000 miles, so it’s well used.
When I bought it, I had a daily round trip commute of 70 miles which the golf handled well. I was always going the same way as other commuters, and the roads were busy. Driving the golf was easy and relaxed.
Two years ago, I switched jobs and although the daily mileage is much the same, I’m going against the flow and have quiet roads. A couple of months ago my wife’s car was off the road, and she borrowed the golf - meanwhile I used our 3rd car (ICE) as my daily for a month. I couldn’t believe how much I enjoyed driving it. All the sensations were alive. My golf had completely shut down my senses - no sound, no smell, no real feel to the driving and no buttons or switches - just touch screen distractions.
I’ve considered replacement EVs, but there is nothing that interests me, so I’m thinking of getting a fun ICE while I still can. If I don’t I’ll probably keep the golf and run it till it dies.
Re cost - yes the golf saved me a lot over my previous inefficient diesel, but I’m in a position where the enjoyment of driving is still a factor. I could eat cheaper than I do, but I choose to eat what I enjoy rather than the cheapest. Holidays too. And while I can enjoy the drive, paying a bit more to do so makes sense to me.
Sure, if I was caught up in the hustle of the commuter train I’d stick with EV. It’s horses for courses and there is no size fits all.

I think if you have an ICE itch then scratch it. Whilst the Golf e was a bit average i think in another 5 years the EVs will have improved immeasurably.

I've had both ends of the scale a Taycan 4S which was just spectacular and a BMW i3s which is a hoot to drive and i suspect will never be sold even if i get another EV for longer trips.

It's only 2024 so plenty of time before the 2035 deadline for EV only new cars.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

I do have a serious passion for ICE for definite. However I have said a few times before...that an EV as a runaround certainly makes a lot of sense for sure.

I wonder if you realise how complicated your ICE engine and gearbox is in your M4. Perhaps it is better not being an engineer and just pay for the regular servicing.

I still don't understand why you need a 700 mile range in one of your cars and do 30,000 miles in it annually. Seems an awful waste of one's life.

[tamore]

won't go back to ICE now. only reason would be to have another TVR, but can't imagine that with the state of the roads, the shoddy level of driver ability now, and the number of bloody cyclists clogging the roads up where i we live.

[mikeiow]

Screechmr2 said:

as much as I like the an ice car I can't see myself getting another one unless I get a track car. Did a 400+ mile trip in my ev (twice, good friday and last friday) and had no issues with range anxiety or even queueing for a charger. Only required a single charge stop each time (and arrived at the destination with 30% battery) which was combined with food so was more convenient than my previous cars because none of them would've made it without needing fuel so I would have needed a fuel stop as well as food.

Car sits on the drive charging, always ready to go, no standing at the petrol pump freezing my arse off in the winter is a massive bonus.

That last point cannot be overstated. Love hopping into a full EV whenever we head out - I don’t miss filling at the station one bit!

We still have an XC60 (tip run, load lugger, ski-run holiday), but hope to keep that forever as the second car: the one we will refresh (one day!) is our Kona EV - fabulous little motor, approaching 50k miles, always feels like driving the future.
Sure, the public infrastructure isn’t ready for everyone to move to it, but ICE owners have many years of use ahead….the transition is a long one. Those petrolheads (plenty here, obviously!) can keep on going, but as James May identified MANY years ago, it will get to the point where they will be the fun hobby cars, not the daily drivers.

[cerb4.5lee]

mikeiow said:

That last point cannot be overstated. Love hopping into a full EV whenever we head out - I don’t miss filling at the station one bit!

I do get that in fairness. I went to one garage today(or yesterday
at my time of posting) in the M4, and they didn't have super unleaded, and then I had drive another 20 miles to the garage that I knew that had it! So I ended up visiting 2 garages in the space of 1 hour!

When all is said and done, I think that we all like what we like. If you're passionate about ICE, then that floats your boat, whereas if EVs float your boat, then it is just the same thing in my opinion.

[dreamcracker]

One of my work colleagues has gone back to petrol after running a BMW 330E plugin

As for me, my commute is fast rural motorway and A roads which is no good for battery cars.

I have recently purchased a large diesel 7 seater SUV, as I did not want anything with a battery in it. There is a hybrid version but it comes with a smaller ICE.

[cerb4.5lee]

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I do have a serious passion for ICE for definite. However I have said a few times before...that an EV as a runaround certainly makes a lot of sense for sure.

I wonder if you realise how complicated your ICE engine and gearbox is in your M4. Perhaps it is better not being an engineer and just pay for the regular servicing.

I still don't understand why you need a 700 mile range in one of your cars and do 30,000 miles in it annually. Seems an awful waste of one's life.

I certainly do, and my goodness I wouldn't fancy anything going wrong with the M4 for definite.

Needs must in terms of the heavy mileage(and having a good range suits in that regard), and that helps to pay the bills, however I can't argue with your point though to be fair for sure.

The fact is that EVs don't suit if you're doing high miles, and there isn't anything wrong with that. It is about picking the right tool to do the job for me I reckon.

I wouldn't want to do 30k miles a year in my Caterham, and I also wouldn't want to do 30k miles in an EV either, because they both would be a complete pain in the backside for me.

[Hustle_]

Evanivitch said:

Why not a much cheaper EV for the daily hustle and a banger MX5 for the fun stuff?

Probably ultimately the answer for many petrolheads.

tr3a said:

As to ICE classics: I've had my share. The ones I've been privileged enough to be the custodian of were fun.

Early contender for most PH post of the day

[Chasing Potatoes]

Indeed. I’ve driven ICE for almost 40 years. Lots and lots of them. I’m finding the EV we have genuinely good fun and a real pleasure to drive. It’s something new to get into after those 40 years. We still have two ICE cars in the household.

[Dunclane]

dreamcracker said:

One of my work colleagues has gone back to petrol after running a BMW 330E plugin

As for me, my commute is fast rural motorway and A roads which is no good for battery cars.

I have recently purchased a large diesel 7 seater SUV, as I did not want anything with a battery in it. There is a hybrid version but it comes with a smaller ICE.

If they've done that and it's a company car they must be mad! I had a 330e touring as my last company car and although I had the luxury of being able to charge it at home and work even without a charge it was a more than capable car. As a personal purchase I don't know why you'd bother.

[AnotherClarkey]

Gone the other way, 2 EVs now. Would never go back.