Le Mans and speeding
Discussion
Not worth the hassle I was a wally a few years back got caught way (I mean WAY) over the limit on the motorway, car impounded had to appear in court 3 months later, cost me a few grand and a ton of hassle - worst of all i was without the car.
Stick to the limit and let the guys on the track speed
Stick to the limit and let the guys on the track speed
Just posted this on another section but in the spirit of accuracy I'll post here as well
Note that 40 kph over the limit is possible confiscation of car.
http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/connaitre-les...
Note that 40 kph over the limit is possible confiscation of car.
http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/connaitre-les...
AllezWasps said:
And as for average speed cameras and police calculating your times between tolls- urban myth and utter rubbish!
Really ? Does not match my experience on the French Toll roads, often seen people driving at high speeds and have seen them approached at the Toll Booths and pulled over by the BiB.ukcobra said:
AllezWasps said:
And as for average speed cameras and police calculating your times between tolls- urban myth and utter rubbish!
Really ? Does not match my experience on the French Toll roads, often seen people driving at high speeds and have seen them approached at the Toll Booths and pulled over by the BiB.I'm hoping to keep my 90 euros to myself and spend it on some of these on the way down instead:
http://www.ooshop.com/courses-en-ligne/ContentNavi...
If my maths is right 90 euros is about 6.5 crates of 1664 (130 bottles).
http://www.ooshop.com/courses-en-ligne/ContentNavi...
If my maths is right 90 euros is about 6.5 crates of 1664 (130 bottles).
Set sat-nav to 'Avoid Tolls'. Enjoy the scenery.
In the previous 5 years I haven't seen a single gendarm doing anything other than pootling along in a little van a couple of times.
No need to drive down like your pants are on fire, but there are a few sections where you can stretch the legs a little, it's so well sighted it seems rude not to, no different to how you'd drive in the UK really...
In the previous 5 years I haven't seen a single gendarm doing anything other than pootling along in a little van a couple of times.
No need to drive down like your pants are on fire, but there are a few sections where you can stretch the legs a little, it's so well sighted it seems rude not to, no different to how you'd drive in the UK really...
mackay45 said:
I'm hoping to keep my 90 euros to myself and spend it on some of these on the way down instead:
http://www.ooshop.com/courses-en-ligne/ContentNavi...
If my maths is right 90 euros is about 6.5 crates of 1664 (130 bottles).
If you go into the SuperU in Arnage on Saturday morning, I am sure you'll find a better price, particularly if they have the promotions team handing out coupons for discounts.http://www.ooshop.com/courses-en-ligne/ContentNavi...
If my maths is right 90 euros is about 6.5 crates of 1664 (130 bottles).
We got good prices on Friday, and found better discounts on the Saturday !
Since I prefer the back roads when driving a classic I came back home today down the D358/338 from Caen to Le Mans. What took me aback was being overtaken by locals driving well over the prevailing limit, like 80 mph in a 56 for example and hitting nearly 90 on the 70 mph stretches. It would have been rude not to keep them company though! It would seem from their behaviour that the police are either not setting up many radars or are more tolerant, despite the chief of police here being very speed intolerant. Perhaps from tomorrow on it'll be different, but it has to be said that in general they aren't after the smaller infractions, just the idiots at more than 30 mph over the limit. Cruising at 85 mph on a motorway will never get you in trouble with the BiB, even though it will trigger the fixed radars for which a foreign plated car cannot be fined anyway.
ukcobra said:
AllezWasps said:
And as for average speed cameras and police calculating your times between tolls- urban myth and utter rubbish!
Really ? Does not match my experience on the French Toll roads, often seen people driving at high speeds and have seen them approached at the Toll Booths and pulled over by the BiB.You can't outrun radio!
Troubleatmill said:
ukcobra said:
AllezWasps said:
And as for average speed cameras and police calculating your times between tolls- urban myth and utter rubbish!
Really ? Does not match my experience on the French Toll roads, often seen people driving at high speeds and have seen them approached at the Toll Booths and pulled over by the BiB.You can't outrun radio!
t average calculation between toll gates.mackay45 said:
ukcobra said:
AllezWasps said:
And as for average speed cameras and police calculating your times between tolls- urban myth and utter rubbish!
Really ? Does not match my experience on the French Toll roads, often seen people driving at high speeds and have seen them approached at the Toll Booths and pulled over by the BiB.SturdyHSV said:
Set sat-nav to 'Avoid Tolls'. Enjoy the scenery.
In the previous 5 years I haven't seen a single gendarm doing anything other than pootling along in a little van a couple of times.
No need to drive down like your pants are on fire, but there are a few sections where you can stretch the legs a little, it's so well sighted it seems rude not to, no different to how you'd drive in the UK really...
Bearing in mind the recent non autoroute speed limit reductions and the fact that they aren't just going to leave non autoroutes un policed it's ( a lot )different to the UK.At least in the sense that there's probably as much chance of being caught but the odds are the margin of the offence will be higher.The only advantage in that case as usual being that it won't involve points.But everything up to car confiscation and/or custody is potentially on the table especially if you're 'stretching the legs' of anything that's remotely quick.In the previous 5 years I haven't seen a single gendarm doing anything other than pootling along in a little van a couple of times.
No need to drive down like your pants are on fire, but there are a few sections where you can stretch the legs a little, it's so well sighted it seems rude not to, no different to how you'd drive in the UK really...
The idea of trading just a 90 Euro fine in that case for up to 170 kmh on the autoroute,for possible car confiscation,or worse,for doing 130 kmh + on a D road makes no sense.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Tuesday 10th June 15:01
Er - what non-autoroute speed reductions? They are being discussed, but no action has been taken.
"90€ up to 170 kph" is a fallacy. Get caught at that speed on the autoroute and it is 750€ minimum but more likely 1,500€. 90€ is up to 20 kph over the limit, unless they are being very kind and ignore the small fry while looking for the big fish.
"90€ up to 170 kph" is a fallacy. Get caught at that speed on the autoroute and it is 750€ minimum but more likely 1,500€. 90€ is up to 20 kph over the limit, unless they are being very kind and ignore the small fry while looking for the big fish.
lowdrag said:
Er - what non-autoroute speed reductions? They are being discussed, but no action has been taken.
"90€ up to 170 kph" is a fallacy. Get caught at that speed on the autoroute and it is 750€ minimum but more likely 1,500€. 90€ is up to 20 kph over the limit, unless they are being very kind and ignore the small fry while looking for the big fish.
It's easy to confuse actual official 'reductions' in the limits with more enforcement.So admittedly while there might not have been any real official reductions,just like on the autoroutes,it's the level of enforcement that matters and which has changed."90€ up to 170 kph" is a fallacy. Get caught at that speed on the autoroute and it is 750€ minimum but more likely 1,500€. 90€ is up to 20 kph over the limit, unless they are being very kind and ignore the small fry while looking for the big fish.
IE just as very few people bothered about the 130 kmh limit on autoroutes the actual official 90 kmh limits on RN's and D roads was effectively irrelevant in most cases.However the fact is a strictly enforced out of town 90 kmh regime is effectively a massive reduction and assuming you're right about the penalties and margins on autoroutes those same penalties and margins obviously apply on non motorway roads.
It's just that,as I said,in the case of non autoroute type roads those margins are obviously based on a much lower limit of 90 kmh on single carriageways and 110 kmh on duals.Which could potentially be even more of a liability in regards to penalties given French road and traffic conditions and the right quick car.So my comments,concerning the use of non motorway roads,to 'stretch the legs'of even a remotely quick car,being the worst choice as opposed to the autoroutes,still stand.
I had a quick drive in my mates AM V12V last year and was driving at 80mph for about an hour.
The one moment I thought give it some, blue lights were everywhere and I was stopped at 145mph. I got a 90 euro fine and told to slow down, the car should have been taken from me and I should have been fined a lot of money.
The Policeman said quietly in front of the other 8 or 9 he'd lower the speed I got stopped at on the officla document to 168kph rather than the 169kph and above at which point serious fines etc. are in force............simply because he loved James Bond and the AM looked the dogs.....
I'm not taking my M5 this year because regardless of the fact I will try and stick to the limit, I drive in Europe frequently and the roads are just itching to be driven at warp factor gazzilion......and I know I'd be tempted just for that one second and I may not be so lucky next time!
The one moment I thought give it some, blue lights were everywhere and I was stopped at 145mph. I got a 90 euro fine and told to slow down, the car should have been taken from me and I should have been fined a lot of money.
The Policeman said quietly in front of the other 8 or 9 he'd lower the speed I got stopped at on the officla document to 168kph rather than the 169kph and above at which point serious fines etc. are in force............simply because he loved James Bond and the AM looked the dogs.....
I'm not taking my M5 this year because regardless of the fact I will try and stick to the limit, I drive in Europe frequently and the roads are just itching to be driven at warp factor gazzilion......and I know I'd be tempted just for that one second and I may not be so lucky next time!
Whilst not in Western France, with the help of a fellow PH-er, I am challenging a penalty on behalf of a friend. He was caught on a D road for 135 in a 90 zone. Was handed an on the spot €135 fine & licence confiscation.
He has also been told to return to Eastern France for a medical at one of a panel of 10 doctors, to confirm his fitness to drive & for his licence to be returned.
This is by way of warning, he knows he was wrong etc & we are not seeking advice etc and we believe that some of the penalty was procedurally flawed for a foreigner.
As an old Peugeot ad (?) said "playtime is over"
He has also been told to return to Eastern France for a medical at one of a panel of 10 doctors, to confirm his fitness to drive & for his licence to be returned.
This is by way of warning, he knows he was wrong etc & we are not seeking advice etc and we believe that some of the penalty was procedurally flawed for a foreigner.
As an old Peugeot ad (?) said "playtime is over"
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