LeMans 24Hrs TV coverage
Discussion
krisdelta said:
You lose the following views of the cars, but gain the atmosphere, the noise, the spectacle of being sat at Arnage watching cars dicing under braking just metres away. You can get a great info feed from the radio too - so you don't miss out too much. It's a *must* visit - the best thing car wise I've ever done. 
I think the Eurosport coverage is great, but one thing they don't show is the sheer speed of the cars and how they behave through corners. They look smooth and tight on TV and twitchy and on the edge when you're standing a few feet away.As a motor race, it's best to watch on TV. As a spectacle it is unsurpassed. I'm off their next year with friends. The driver parade, the conversations at the circuit, or in town. It's like the British GP: on TV it's exciting. When you are there it is an event.
WilsonWilson said:
Given LeMans is eurosport's biggest motorsport race I don't understand why they keep the same shambolic commentary team. I sort of get pitching everything at a total novice level but the constant silly mistakes, scatter gun approach and endless slating of F1 is a massive turn off. Especially with ITV4 showing (part) of it live and online feeds.
Bloody Carton Kirby gets right on my wick, they have him commenting during the TdF as well, which puts me off watching it on Eurosport (which I subscribe to) and watching it on ITV4. I've emailed Eurosport on several occasions to have a moan about the t
t, as have a lot of people I know, never had the courtesy of a reply. 
Otispunkmeyer said:
Really don't get the Kadjar advert... what are they on about? Are they discussing divorce and who gets to keep what in the split? but then they go to the boat house and have sex ? what?
I have spent the last 24 hrs and many ciders trying to work out the same thing! krisdelta said:
p1stonhead said:
ecsrobin said:
After watching this year I think it’s a must that I actually attend next year!!
Every year I think this, but every year I also think that I wouldn't have a clue what's going on and would miss seeing all of the action in the 18 or so hours I normally watch at home!I guess it's the experience at the expense of properly following the race.
t about the race itself.Daston said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Really don't get the Kadjar advert... what are they on about? Are they discussing divorce and who gets to keep what in the split? but then they go to the boat house and have sex ? what?
I have spent the last 24 hrs and many ciders trying to work out the same thing! swiveleyedgit said:
WilsonWilson said:
Given LeMans is eurosport's biggest motorsport race I don't understand why they keep the same shambolic commentary team. I sort of get pitching everything at a total novice level but the constant silly mistakes, scatter gun approach and endless slating of F1 is a massive turn off. Especially with ITV4 showing (part) of it live and online feeds.
Bloody Carton Kirby gets right on my wick, they have him commenting during the TdF as well, which puts me off watching it on Eurosport (which I subscribe to) and watching it on ITV4. I've emailed Eurosport on several occasions to have a moan about the tt, as have a lot of people I know, never had the courtesy of a reply. Mind you, the official WEC feed (when it worked) wasn't any better. Toby Moody was rubbish and insisted that the teams were cleaning the bodywork behind the front wheels of LMP cars for aerodynamic reasons, no mate, they are cleaning it because thats where the car number is and race director gives them a b
king if it isn't easily readable. He also got rather boorish at times.I switched between RLM (for Hindy), Eurosport and the official one (when it worked).
By the way, it seems that despite @FIAWEC saying to email regarding refunds they will not be refunding anyone - I got a reply email stating that they had been "cyber attacked" and that this is covered by their T&Cs, therefore no refund.
So, illegal streams from here on in, if they want ot treat fans and customers like that they don't deserve any.
Daston said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Really don't get the Kadjar advert... what are they on about? Are they discussing divorce and who gets to keep what in the split? but then they go to the boat house and have sex ? what?
I have spent the last 24 hrs and many ciders trying to work out the same thing! 
My kids were racing Cadet karts in the late eighties, and one day at Hoddesdon a kid called Oliver Jarvis turned up with his dad. His old man looked exactly like Oliver looks today. Young Oliver was hopelessly slow, and the likes of Dan Wheldon and Ant Davidson were lapping him after three or four laps. He really couldn't keep up at all, even with the tail Enders. After several meetings there were no real signs of improvement, and he was nicknamed the mobile chicane. (It was quite a novel nickname in those days!) The other kids just told him not to drift about and get off line, and leave it to them to get past. In fact, I never heard one of them say anything derogatory about him at all. Anyone who had the bottle to get in a kart and race was OK in their book and deserved their respect.
Some of the other dads were concerned though, because they thought the situation was unfair on him, and I recall a conversation one afternoon about possibly having a chat with Jarvis Snr and suggesting he took the lad away to practice until he could go fast enough to at least latch on to the tail Enders. Just watching the quick kids zoom past him must have been demoralising and he wasn't learning from anyone.
This afternoon I watched him finish second at Le Mans.
Just goes to show how right the old Motorsport saying is - "The three golden rules are, don't give up, don't give up and don't give up."
Some of the other dads were concerned though, because they thought the situation was unfair on him, and I recall a conversation one afternoon about possibly having a chat with Jarvis Snr and suggesting he took the lad away to practice until he could go fast enough to at least latch on to the tail Enders. Just watching the quick kids zoom past him must have been demoralising and he wasn't learning from anyone.
This afternoon I watched him finish second at Le Mans.
Just goes to show how right the old Motorsport saying is - "The three golden rules are, don't give up, don't give up and don't give up."
Roofless Toothless said:
My kids were racing Cadet karts in the late eighties, and one day at Hoddesdon a kid called Oliver Jarvis turned up with his dad. His old man looked exactly like Oliver looks today. Young Oliver was hopelessly slow, and the likes of Dan Wheldon and Ant Davidson were lapping him after three or four laps. He really couldn't keep up at all, even with the tail Enders. After several meetings there were no real signs of improvement, and he was nicknamed the mobile chicane. (It was quite a novel nickname in those days!) The other kids just told him not to drift about and get off line, and leave it to them to get past. In fact, I never heard one of them say anything derogatory about him at all. Anyone who had the bottle to get in a kart and race was OK in their book and deserved their respect.
Some of the other dads were concerned though, because they thought the situation was unfair on him, and I recall a conversation one afternoon about possibly having a chat with Jarvis Snr and suggesting he took the lad away to practice until he could go fast enough to at least latch on to the tail Enders. Just watching the quick kids zoom past him must have been demoralising and he wasn't learning from anyone.
This afternoon I watched him finish second at Le Mans.
Just goes to show how right the old Motorsport saying is - "The three golden rules are, don't give up, don't give up and don't give up."
My kids were also racing cadets / Junior TKM at Hoddesdon and Buckmore mainly in the 80's......nice to see names I recognise from those days now successful in all forms of motorsport......don't remember any young toothlesses though Some of the other dads were concerned though, because they thought the situation was unfair on him, and I recall a conversation one afternoon about possibly having a chat with Jarvis Snr and suggesting he took the lad away to practice until he could go fast enough to at least latch on to the tail Enders. Just watching the quick kids zoom past him must have been demoralising and he wasn't learning from anyone.
This afternoon I watched him finish second at Le Mans.
Just goes to show how right the old Motorsport saying is - "The three golden rules are, don't give up, don't give up and don't give up."
p1stonhead said:
Every year I think this, but every year I also think that I wouldn't have a clue what's going on and would miss seeing all of the action in the 18 or so hours I normally watch at home!
I guess it's the experience at the expense of properly following the race.
I've only been to the race once in the flesh, the epic 95 race where McLaren won with JJ Lehto's amazing drive through the night in the wet.I guess it's the experience at the expense of properly following the race.
I very nearly missed the start of the race at 4pm, we got so hammered the night before in the campsite.
It's a must do at least once in your life, so many stories and memories from just a few days from the reverse drag racing in the campsite, sharing sausages with a group or german bikers round their camp fire totally pissed to standing under the finish gantry with one of my driving heroes on the podium (Andretti) stood next to a bloke with a chicken stuck on a long stick. It's truly a mad week and absolutely brilliant.
p1stonhead said:
Welshbeef said:
Why would Porsche leaveLMP1?
Same reason Audi did I guess - the staggering cost. Plus only one competitor now isn't the most appealing presumably.
They have just had one too many years of bad luck, and this was their strongest chance of winning this year.
Rich_W said:
krisdelta said:
p1stonhead said:
ecsrobin said:
After watching this year I think it’s a must that I actually attend next year!!
Every year I think this, but every year I also think that I wouldn't have a clue what's going on and would miss seeing all of the action in the 18 or so hours I normally watch at home!I guess it's the experience at the expense of properly following the race.
t about the race itself.Get the planning right and you can get a great weekend of racing and atmosphere without the stories of chavs affecting your weekend.
At the circuit, radio Le mans keeps you updated especially when trackside with circuit and big screen views.
Away from the circuit I've had Eurosport on Sky go with a VPN to follow things.
Watching at home complaining about Eurosport.... Mute TV and use radio Le Mans as audio. Simple. Or just feel lucky that not being here there is 24hr coverage these days.
Mezzanine said:
p1stonhead said:
Welshbeef said:
Why would Porsche leaveLMP1?
Same reason Audi did I guess - the staggering cost. Plus only one competitor now isn't the most appealing presumably.
They have just had one too many years of bad luck, and this was their strongest chance of winning this year.
Admittedly, Le Mans the crowning jewel in the WEC calendar and comes with extra points, but Toyota are performing well otherwise. They just haven't translated that success from 6-hour races into success during a 24-hour race.
I suspect that Toyota will be back. Japanese corporate pride will see to that.
The concern would be of Toyota leave after they win Le Mans in a year or two, stating that their job is done. Then LMP1 may be on a sticky wicket.
I watched this on and off through Eurosports over the weekend. Problem was it was too nice to be stuck indoors for to long. The amount of adverts (Which i do somewhat get why) take away from actually watching the racing and following it. Also as others have mentioned i listed 3 or 4 times late evening that the poor commentators are having a "pot noodle" as everything else seems closed around them. Like hows that any bit to do with racing....!
This was the first year since 2001 that i did not go to the race. Something the Mrs has been moaning about constantly and so we will most certainly be back next year.
Observations:-
1. We enjoyed the race far more than we had in years and were regularly updating people at the track with what was going on
2. We were very glad we didn't have to sleep in a super heated tent this year.
3. It is a lot easier to keep your G&T cold and my garden does not have a rule banning the erection of Spa pools. the Drive home was a lot easier, as was the breaking camp (lid back on BBQ and wheel away to side of garden).
4. There was not one single argument or disagreement with some pissed up prick of a Brit.
5. TV on the WEC app was fine at my place - only needed to re boot a couple of times during the 25 hours it was on (plus quali) Looked at a few streams of the Eurosport coverage but was not over impressed with it and a hy of RLM and WEC app seemed the best solution.
6. We are planning next years trip already.
Observations:-
1. We enjoyed the race far more than we had in years and were regularly updating people at the track with what was going on
2. We were very glad we didn't have to sleep in a super heated tent this year.
3. It is a lot easier to keep your G&T cold and my garden does not have a rule banning the erection of Spa pools. the Drive home was a lot easier, as was the breaking camp (lid back on BBQ and wheel away to side of garden).
4. There was not one single argument or disagreement with some pissed up prick of a Brit.
5. TV on the WEC app was fine at my place - only needed to re boot a couple of times during the 25 hours it was on (plus quali) Looked at a few streams of the Eurosport coverage but was not over impressed with it and a hy of RLM and WEC app seemed the best solution.
6. We are planning next years trip already.
Another year, another fantastic race. After 2330 BST Saturday it was easy to write off the race. A bit of kip and find out the JCR/P2 gunning for overall lead, Porsche needing a comeback to win, GTE Pro at it hammer and tongs (litererally in some cases!) for the whole 24hrs and a race where the controversial BOP was spot on.
The only negative? Sunny throughout and no rain shower to add to the drama!
A lot of talk blaming the 2014 P1regs. It goes back to letting Audi run diesels, perhaps even further after the demise of Group C - admittedly I'm not familar with the politics preceding - but ACO has become beholden to manufacturers and letting them have their fun with the arms race of its day. And whenever the fun's over, whatever their prerogative manufacturers come and go as they please. Rules and formulas will come and go for survival and greater prestige - affordability for the former and manufacturer involvement for the latter.
I don't know that answers. I like the hybrid technology but costs is a worry. I can see the appeal of P2 with the 3m25 lap times which would sit comfortable in the top class as the ACO doesn't like the P1s lapping in the teens in qualy trim but the cars are essentially a spec chassis and how comfortable will it sit with manufacterers as the top class prototypes?
The only negative? Sunny throughout and no rain shower to add to the drama!
A lot of talk blaming the 2014 P1regs. It goes back to letting Audi run diesels, perhaps even further after the demise of Group C - admittedly I'm not familar with the politics preceding - but ACO has become beholden to manufacturers and letting them have their fun with the arms race of its day. And whenever the fun's over, whatever their prerogative manufacturers come and go as they please. Rules and formulas will come and go for survival and greater prestige - affordability for the former and manufacturer involvement for the latter.
I don't know that answers. I like the hybrid technology but costs is a worry. I can see the appeal of P2 with the 3m25 lap times which would sit comfortable in the top class as the ACO doesn't like the P1s lapping in the teens in qualy trim but the cars are essentially a spec chassis and how comfortable will it sit with manufacterers as the top class prototypes?
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