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LM - 2018 onwards?

LM - 2018 onwards?

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FredericRobinson

1,262 posts

155 months

Tuesday 31st October
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Good P1 news, Dragonspeed announce a programme

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/10/31/dragonspe...

PJDV8

63 posts

5 months

Friday 10th November
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So if the Beeb are correct in their reporting this evening Alonso is racing a Toyota LMP1 at Le Mans in 2018, so Toyota confirmed for 2018 WEC?

Ekona

1,468 posts

125 months

Friday 10th November
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Looks that way.

Zero respect for Toyota now if true, should’ve pulled the plug rather than go for a gimme win,

Oldwolf

354 posts

116 months

Friday 10th November
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Ekona said:
Looks that way.

Zero respect for Toyota now if true, should’ve pulled the plug rather than go for a gimme win,
I think they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
They'd get slated if they pulled out too IMHO.

Ekona

1,468 posts

125 months

Saturday 11th November
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Would they? It kinda makes sense to leave a race series if you’re the only one in it really, must admit I was expecting them to announce they were leaving very soon after Porsche did.

I wonder how much pressure there was in Japan for them to stick around for what we expect will be a gimme win? I don’t know. I just think it’s a shame is all.
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icepop

1,092 posts

130 months

Saturday 11th November
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The thing is, you can almost taste it......the only LMP1 hybrids, Toyota, don't make it to the end of the race....don't scoff, it wouldn't be unknown. The new, non hybrid entries into the LMP1 category, in their first year at LM, barely make into the night........and hey presto....an uber reliable LMP2 car/cars sweep the podium.

Quelle fromage !!!!!!

lowdrag

8,528 posts

136 months

Sunday 12th November
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Well, Toyota have that history, leading in 1998 with 50 minutes to go (from memory) and breaking down and then of course recently losing with 3 minutes to go. If they win they are expected to, if they lose.... well, who will fall on his sword this time? It is a lose/lose situation really. Not a nice decision to have to make.

DS240

Original Poster:

2,383 posts

141 months

Sunday 12th November
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Have I misunderstood the direction ACO have stated they are going.....

I was under the impression that the rules were going to be tweaked so the privateer LMP 1 had a chance and the hybrid elements might be taken away.

Thought final decision was yet to be released.

Great Dane

2,130 posts

89 months

Sunday 12th November
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WE should have the greatest respect for Toyota. They started their race programme a year earlier that they had planned ad the ACO begged them to provide competion for Audi even though they knew they would be losing.... They have been totally loyal to their WEC programme... When they lost they always did it with dignity

Ekona

1,468 posts

125 months

Sunday 12th November
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Agreed. Just a shame that dignity doesn't seem to go as far as them not going for the easiest win since Schumacher won the USGP in 2005.

Pupp

9,215 posts

195 months

Sunday 12th November
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Err, they haven't won it yet and actually have a lot to lose if, say, they had a DNF. I reckon it's a ballsy entry when the easy option would have been to stand down yes

DS240

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2,383 posts

141 months

Monday 13th November
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Great Dane said:
WE should have the greatest respect for Toyota. They started their race programme a year earlier that they had planned ad the ACO begged them to provide competion for Audi even though they knew they would be losing.... They have been totally loyal to their WEC programme... When they lost they always did it with dignity
I agree with much of this. It seems fairly pointless them turning up, but fair play if they continue and adjust the car however the ACO decides in terms of rules changes.

I feel Porsche’s u-turn has damaged their reputation in my eyes. Their sudden departure goes against the commitment they made and damages the very event they have used for reputation and marketing gains for so long.

I was also disappointed Audi didn’t give notice and a chance for their fans to see them knowing it was their last appearance. Having put so much in to LM, to then do their last race and announce the early departure afterwards.

eps

4,787 posts

192 months

Monday 13th November
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Great Dane said:
WE should have the greatest respect for Toyota. They started their race programme a year earlier that they had planned ad the ACO begged them to provide competion for Audi even though they knew they would be losing.... They have been totally loyal to their WEC programme... When they lost they always did it with dignity
Agree with this. Memories are too short around here. Toyota GT One - awesome car and so very very quick but failed to deliver. To simply take their participation on a single year is unfair.

Lots of things can happen at Le Mans and usually do!

Le Mans 'needs' a headline act and Toyota are going to provide it. The only sticking point may be how many entries they have... 2 would be correct, 3 might be seen as hedging it towards a Toyota win.

//j17

2,832 posts

146 months

Monday 13th November
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Do the people accusing Toyota of looking to take an easy win against non-manufacture competition also throw the same accusation at Audi for their win in 2000...when they stayed in the sport after both BMW and Toyota left and took an easy win against non-manufacturer competition?

Let's face it, what's more likely to encourage other manufacturers in to the top flight of the sport - having 1 other manufacturer staying committed, or having them all run away?

icepop

1,092 posts

130 months

Tuesday
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Don't know if it was my original post that was taken as a snipe at Toyota, not meant as such. I was speculating the fact that, as mused for a while now, by Radio LM, and a few others, that due to the nature/occacional fragility of the hybrids, we might see an LMP2 car on the podium for one of the overall top places. With a lack of entries so far this year it might be that time.

I don't think that it was a case though of AUDI, and Porsche having a look down the sofa for a bit of funding, so they could say, "Hey guys, you can have one more look at us, for old times sakes", the immense funding required for just one season WEC, I imagine, were very quickly withdrawn by the parent companies for 'certain recent reasons'.

Yes, AUDI, did have an easy run in 2000, but you can't decry them too much, they did hang around for a few more tries....erm 16 years !!

And as one poster has said, it might look a bit less credible if Toyota put 3 cars in, vs 2. I reckon though if your going for it, use the 3kg lump hammer rather than the 2kg one