So many Golf Rs, such poor spec
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okgo said:
That is just a sign of the times, all those spec bits you listed are basic, and nothing new.
I personally think its a total chav chariot that has been cheapened beyond belief by the lease deals, but there we are.
I've yet to see anybody I would describe as a 'chav' driving one of these. And I see plenty on the road. Corsa C and Corsa D/E special editions are the chav chariots around here.I personally think its a total chav chariot that has been cheapened beyond belief by the lease deals, but there we are.
Perhaps because you see an owner stretching the legs of a golf R now and again, you think they're a chav?
Jonno02 said:
I've yet to see anybody I would describe as a 'chav' driving one of these. And I see plenty on the road. Corsa C and Corsa D/E special editions are the chav chariots around here.
Perhaps because you see an owner stretching the legs of a golf R now and again, you think they're a chav?
No, its mainly the type of people I see getting out of them at petrol stations. Perhaps because you see an owner stretching the legs of a golf R now and again, you think they're a chav?
okgo said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
and how many of them also have 300 bhp, 4 wheel drive and a dual clutch DSG box. and a sub 5 second 0-60 and under 20k miles average?
a used R is a performance bargain with a nice bit of standard kit too
That is just a sign of the times, all those spec bits you listed are basic, and nothing new. a used R is a performance bargain with a nice bit of standard kit too
I personally think its a total chav chariot that has been cheapened beyond belief by the lease deals, but there we are.
'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
I've just extended my R lease to the end of year3. It's a great car that does everything I need it to do, and I'm happy with the 18's (my back is a bit creaky). At the time i got the lease I couldn't find a £10k second hand car for lower deposit and monthly payment. I don't care that it's standard spec, it's better than my old car (Focus Ghia) the only thing i miss is the heated front screen.
I don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
I don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
I keep coming back to them. like estates but don't like to lines on the R estate, it looks bunged on. the other fast estates RS4/RS6 are all silly money nowadays.
So i'm back to the Golf R. negatives, doesn't have the space of the larger cars the the quad exhausts just look ridiculous.
However, serious performance for £300pm.
So i'm back to the Golf R. negatives, doesn't have the space of the larger cars the the quad exhausts just look ridiculous.
However, serious performance for £300pm.
I had the upgraded sat nav and android auto support on mine as I wanted the larger screen and to be able to use Google Maps.
The built in sat nav works well if you stick a SIM card or pair it to your phone if you want traffic but it is a long way from Google Maps, so personally I'd stick with just Android Auto support as a must have and forget the bigger screen. The latest 7.5 models all come with the larger screen as standard now, and there is now an even larger screen as an optional upgrade.
Very few of the options are must have on the Golf R as so much comes as standard. If I was ordering mine again I'd go for the black leather (the two tone is awful), climate windscreen, and android auto.
The built in sat nav works well if you stick a SIM card or pair it to your phone if you want traffic but it is a long way from Google Maps, so personally I'd stick with just Android Auto support as a must have and forget the bigger screen. The latest 7.5 models all come with the larger screen as standard now, and there is now an even larger screen as an optional upgrade.
Very few of the options are must have on the Golf R as so much comes as standard. If I was ordering mine again I'd go for the black leather (the two tone is awful), climate windscreen, and android auto.
PixelpeepS3 said:
I think the Golf R is almost unique in the way it gets criticism...
'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
Clearly, the reason this thread exists is because of those pathetic brand cheapening lease deals. Much like BMW with the 135i, hundreds of them for sale for peanuts. 'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
tankplanker said:
Very few of the options are must have on the Golf R as so much comes as standard. If I was ordering mine again I'd go for the black leather (the two tone is awful), climate windscreen, and android auto.
This is the one thing I will say about the golf R. The seats are not good enough. Once you've sat in the cupra's bucket seats, you'll wonder why the brand up from SEAT doesn't get buckets.okgo said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
I think the Golf R is almost unique in the way it gets criticism...
'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
Clearly, the reason this thread exists is because of those pathetic brand cheapening lease deals. Much like BMW with the 135i, hundreds of them for sale for peanuts. 'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
Jonno02 said:
Perhaps because you see an owner stretching the legs of a golf R now and again, you think they're a chav?
Around here (London) they seem to be driven exclusively by twenty something 'innit bruv's' with driving standards to match, Golf R's have become so common and the standard of driving so atrocious that I wonder if it puts decent people off buying other lesser spec Golfs in the range?untakenname said:
Jonno02 said:
Perhaps because you see an owner stretching the legs of a golf R now and again, you think they're a chav?
Around here (London) they seem to be driven exclusively by twenty something 'innit bruv's' with driving standards to match, Golf R's have become so common and the standard of driving so atrocious that I wonder if it puts decent people off buying other lesser spec Golfs in the range?
ks to what reputation it does / does not have.Sheepshanks said:
The big problem with Discover Nav is the lack of traffic flow info - I guess VW wants people to subscribe to Car-Net to get it. The basic routing seems OK, although it offers three choices and colours them Red, Orange and Blue. Might just be my eyes but I can't tell the difference between the Red and Orange colours, and Blue is hard to pick out as motorways are the same colour!
Upgrade to Nav Pro cost seems insane for what you get, although I believe on Golf it was often offered cheaper and with upgraded audio included.
You're not the only one who can barely tell the difference between the orange & red, so since I got it I've chosen it to default to blue (quickest).Upgrade to Nav Pro cost seems insane for what you get, although I believe on Golf it was often offered cheaper and with upgraded audio included.
As you say it's OK as a satnav, though the postcode function is oddly buried, but the traffic re-routing is awful.
Jonno02 said:
This is the one thing I will say about the golf R. The seats are not good enough. Once you've sat in the cupra's bucket seats, you'll wonder why the brand up from SEAT doesn't get buckets.
There should be a performance pack for the R that offers a bit more power, better brakes and the proper bucket seats. I don't mind the standard seats, but they are far from the best I've sat in.born2bslow said:
I've just extended my R lease to the end of year3. It's a great car that does everything I need it to do, and I'm happy with the 18's (my back is a bit creaky). At the time i got the lease I couldn't find a £10k second hand car for lower deposit and monthly payment. I don't care that it's standard spec, it's better than my old car (Focus Ghia) the only thing i miss is the heated front screen.
I don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
You've hit the nail on the head, this just about sums it up, and nothing wrong in that at allI don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
I always buy my cars but these lease deals have even got me thinking twice, why wouldn't you when they're potentially less than the depreciation?!
Mind me asking what your initial up front was, £180pm is insane?
born2bslow said:
I've just extended my R lease to the end of year3. It's a great car that does everything I need it to do, and I'm happy with the 18's (my back is a bit creaky). At the time i got the lease I couldn't find a £10k second hand car for lower deposit and monthly payment. I don't care that it's standard spec, it's better than my old car (Focus Ghia) the only thing i miss is the heated front screen.
I don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
I couldn't agree more with this statement.I don't think i'm a chav, might be cheapskate though, but that comes from being a 43 yo accountant, I don't like paying a lot for cars (might change my mind when my currently young kids kids are through uni though)...I'm paying £180 p/m going up to £215 p/m for a 300bhp 4wd sub 5sec perfectly usable family car that gives me 37-38mpg on my commute...I'll be looking for another deal just before June 2018 as well.
Don't understand why the R has upset so many people...all the criticisms are just personal opinion from what I read. It's a stonking bit of kit, go drive one.
I know it seems to annoy lots of people that there have been many who have jumped on the leasing bandwagon in order to bag a nice new car, particularly for those that have missed out on the deals after they have been snapped up. However, it seems ridiculous to suggest that you would rather spend more for a lesser model just so that you can feel like you own the car. Indeed, I have little doubt that most will still purchase these cars with some form of financing and I suspect that the vast majority will never "own" the vehicle outright anyway.
It's also a complete nonsense to make sweeping statements about people leasing by saying that they cannot afford the cars they drive. I can easily afford my Golf R outright, on finance, leasing or in any other way I may wish to purchase it. However, as with any purchase, I am always looking for the best deal or most economical way to purchase something. Leasing a Golf R has in my view been the most economical way into a (very) fast family hatch for a while now.
I, for one, will continue to be more than happy with my £213pm (inc VAT) for my Golf R Estate and fully anticipate extending the least for another year as I head towards the end of the 2nd year.
Good luck to all those that are happy to pay more for less.
tankplanker said:
Jonno02 said:
This is the one thing I will say about the golf R. The seats are not good enough. Once you've sat in the cupra's bucket seats, you'll wonder why the brand up from SEAT doesn't get buckets.
There should be a performance pack for the R that offers a bit more power, better brakes and the proper bucket seats. I don't mind the standard seats, but they are far from the best I've sat in.I have a golf r on order (and a accountant at that also). Doing the numbers I just fancied something quick after being in diesel for the past 6 years.
First lease as well.
Why did I decide on a r - well yes the lease deal helped - but also standard wise they are well specced. To me they don't need tonnes of options added - hill assist is £75 on a £47k S5! - see lease thread - standard on golf r.
VW have cheapened it somewhat with the lease deals and I agree, some are driven by complete t@@ts, but for me - well I don't drive like a tool, and I have the estate and not the hatchback a lot of people seem to drive like tools with.
I will see how I get on - the lease deals aren't as good as they were - but even so I could have leased a 1.5 se nav dsg for more! Lets just think about that for a minute - a 1.5 se nav which I would add options to or a golf r estate?
First lease as well.
Why did I decide on a r - well yes the lease deal helped - but also standard wise they are well specced. To me they don't need tonnes of options added - hill assist is £75 on a £47k S5! - see lease thread - standard on golf r.
VW have cheapened it somewhat with the lease deals and I agree, some are driven by complete t@@ts, but for me - well I don't drive like a tool, and I have the estate and not the hatchback a lot of people seem to drive like tools with.
I will see how I get on - the lease deals aren't as good as they were - but even so I could have leased a 1.5 se nav dsg for more! Lets just think about that for a minute - a 1.5 se nav which I would add options to or a golf r estate?
okgo said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
I think the Golf R is almost unique in the way it gets criticism...
'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
Clearly, the reason this thread exists is because of those pathetic brand cheapening lease deals. Much like BMW with the 135i, hundreds of them for sale for peanuts. 'it's too safe'
'it's too cheap'
i'm sorry?! too cheap is a negative ?
Looking at Autotrader there is 204 of them in total. The very cheapest 4-5 year old cars are still at 50% of the original list price. 50% retained value after 4-5 years isn't bad at all. Some of the cars have 100,000+ miles and dodgy histories at this price point.
There is double that amount of Golf R for sale, but there is twice as many Golfs as there is M135i on the road. I'm surprised to see the value of the Golf staying as high given just how many of them there are. I know people are struggling to sell and getting very low offers as trade ins for their R. Prices on AutoTrader are too high in my opinion.
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