2k Rally Car... Sort of.

2k Rally Car... Sort of.

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paps

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1,040 posts

228 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Wanted: Daily hack for short journeys in and around town, must be able to handle speed bumps, be fairly inexpensive to run, compact, reliable, relatively quick and darty and a minimum of four seats (I'm a breeder!).

Thinking: Petrol, manual, hot-hatch or similar.

Been considering: Mini Cooper S, Ford Puma, Ford Fiesta ST, Fiat Panda 100HP, VW Lupo GTI,
Mazda RX8 (bit low riding, and why so cheap?).

Your suggestions, experiences are welcome.,

mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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I've had a Puma and seem to remember that tracking was easily put out of place by speedbumps. Might wanna google that because it was a few years back and my memory might be playing tricks on me.

Had both a Puma and a Cooper S so happy to give generic comments on both. Also went RX8 hunting a while ago, if you like rust and engine rebuilds then it's a winner (seriously though, I really liked test driving them but it's many, err...unusual, characteristics are easily found with a quick search. Still a car I'd like to own one day.

mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Forgot to say, Cooper S has rather stiff suspension set up so bumps are best approached cautiously. Clio 182 might be a good one for your list too.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

176 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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None of those cars mentioned are particularly speedbump friendly. The Cooper S and Lupo GTi especially.

RX8's are cheap because they are notoriously unreliable.

mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Final comments on this as hadn't seen the bit about 4 seats - both Cooper and Puma have limited rear space (and boots) but the Puma in particular has limited rear headroom too.

Gareth1974

3,418 posts

140 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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These were rally cars - and cheap, as seen in SOTW https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-features-s...

paps

Original Poster:

1,040 posts

228 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Thanks for the replies, yeah seen a few RX8 advertised with recent engine rebuilds.

Good point regarding suspension on Mini. I vaguely remember test driving a Cooper S ten or so years ago and it was pretty firm.

Clio and Swift are both good shouts.
Any word on Panda 100HP ownership?

caelite

4,275 posts

113 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Surely the most obvious choice would be a Suzuki Ignis Sport. Jacked up hot hatch, cheap as chips to run and you can get a clean one for half your budget.

Or an old Subaru turbo (Impreza or Forester) , although there is a LOT of luck involved as to whether or not it will bankrupt you as Scooby build quality is notoriously inconsistent, people who get good ones tend to love them, people who don't tend to be bankrupted replacing Swiss cheese drivetrain components.

f1nn

2,693 posts

193 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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You'd be hard pressed to get a Lupe GTI for the budget, but it's big sister, the Polo GTI will be doable and I'd think it would be a bit better riding due to its longer wheelbase.

The Panda100HP is not the best riding due in part to its limited suspension travel, so wouldn't cope well with speed bumps.

Cooper S, at least the R53 that I drove had a poor, crashy ride.

Puma could be a good shout, with that good ride/handling balance that fords from that era had.

paps

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1,040 posts

228 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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mikeyr said:
Final comments on this as hadn't seen the bit about 4 seats - both Cooper and Puma have limited rear space (and boots) but the Puma in particular has limited rear headroom too.
My kids only 8mths so leg/headroom aren't too much of an issue.


mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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That's good, just check you can get their seat in the back as has little bucket style seats and access is tricky. Really liked my Puma but trying to find one that isn't rusting away is really tricky!

Toyoda

1,557 posts

101 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Yaris T-Sport ticks all the boxes. You might hit lucky and find a 5 door too!

paps

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1,040 posts

228 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Toyoda said:
Yaris T-Sport ticks all the boxes. You might hit lucky and find a 5 door too!
That'd keep the father in law happy, he's a Toyota fan.

Also liking the Ignis Sport as suggested earlier.

How about a Mini Cooper S on smaller wheels, 16s maybe?

caelite

4,275 posts

113 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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paps said:
That'd keep the father in law happy, he's a Toyota fan.

Also liking the Ignis Sport as suggested earlier.

How about a Mini Cooper S on smaller wheels, 16s maybe?
Be careful with Cooper S's. The old supercharged ones I think are fairly bulletproof, but the generation between 07 and 13 I think have a PSA 1.6 turbo. It is a fantastic engine to drive & is fairly economical, but it does have some design faults which can result in timing chain failure. They are fairly easy to spot so don't let it put you off, just make sure to do your research before buying.

paps

Original Poster:

1,040 posts

228 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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caelite said:
Be careful with Cooper S's. The old supercharged ones I think are fairly bulletproof, but the generation between 07 and 13 I think have a PSA 1.6 turbo. It is a fantastic engine to drive & is fairly economical, but it does have some design faults which can result in timing chain failure. They are fairly easy to spot so don't let it put you off, just make sure to do your research before buying.
Yeah, budget only allows for the older S'charged models, plus I like my bonnet scopes functional. smile

Anything to look for when buying an old mini?

avenger286

425 posts

104 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Yaris t sport is a good shout had one as my first car.
Twingo gt? 1.2 turbo I have a 133 never had any issues in 5 years ownership you may even be able to get a 133 within budget.

paps

Original Poster:

1,040 posts

228 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Yeah Twingo is a good shout too. Anyone got any experience of taking an MR2 spider over speed bumps? Wifey thinks we should have four seats. I think we can get away with a two seater. (Have a family car already for those wondering about my 8mth old).

Toyoda

1,557 posts

101 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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Actually if you like Toyotas then how about a Corolla T-Sport? Pre facelift had the option of 3 or 5 door versions, only 3 door in the facelift. Should handle speedbumps, look totally anonymous yet with the screamer of the VVTLi engine should the mood take you. Easily available on budget.

mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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paps said:
Yeah, budget only allows for the older S'charged models, plus I like my bonnet scopes functional. smile

Anything to look for when buying an old mini?
https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-buying-guides/mini-cooper-s-r53--ph-buying-guide/29900

Gareth1974

3,418 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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[quote=paps]

Yeah, budget only allows for the older S'charged models, plus I like my bonnet scopes functional. smile
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The bonnet scoop on the supercharged car was functional, it was for decoration only on the subsequent turbo model.