MOT Failure - Emissions

MOT Failure - Emissions

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Sycamore

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1,782 posts

118 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Hi all,

My MG ZT 1.8t (k-series) failed its MOT on monoxide emissions.
So far I plan to clean the lambda sensors, and change the oil, oil filter, and air filter.
Would it be worth changing the plugs while I'm at it?

I have a slight rattle coming from my exhaust which sounds like there's a bit of metal/a stone inside of it - Possibly the cat has broken up? They're not necessarily cheap so if I could avoid changing it when it isn't needed then that's ideal.

If it was a mechanical issue it wouldn't be so bad as I could physically see it, but without breathing in the gas from my exhaust beforehand and afterwards to see if it tastes less toxic, there's not much I can do biggrin

Any other ideas on how to sort it?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Sycamore said:
My MG ZT 1.8t (k-series) failed its MOT on monoxide emissions.
So far I plan to clean the lambda sensors, and change the oil, oil filter, and air filter.
Would it be worth changing the plugs while I'm at it?

I have a slight rattle coming from my exhaust which sounds like there's a bit of metal/a stone inside of it - Possibly the cat has broken up? They're not necessarily cheap so if I could avoid changing it when it isn't needed then that's ideal.

If it was a mechanical issue it wouldn't be so bad as I could physically see it, but without breathing in the gas from my exhaust beforehand and afterwards to see if it tastes less toxic, there's not much I can do biggrin

Any other ideas on how to sort it?
High CO, but HC and Lambda were good? That definitely sounds like cat - especially given the rattle.

Sycamore

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1,782 posts

118 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Sycamore said:
My MG ZT 1.8t (k-series) failed its MOT on monoxide emissions.
So far I plan to clean the lambda sensors, and change the oil, oil filter, and air filter.
Would it be worth changing the plugs while I'm at it?

I have a slight rattle coming from my exhaust which sounds like there's a bit of metal/a stone inside of it - Possibly the cat has broken up? They're not necessarily cheap so if I could avoid changing it when it isn't needed then that's ideal.

If it was a mechanical issue it wouldn't be so bad as I could physically see it, but without breathing in the gas from my exhaust beforehand and afterwards to see if it tastes less toxic, there's not much I can do biggrin

Any other ideas on how to sort it?
High CO, but HC and Lambda were good? That definitely sounds like cat - especially given the rattle.
Yessir: "•Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)"

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Sycamore said:
TooMany2cvs said:
High CO, but HC and Lambda were good? That definitely sounds like cat - especially given the rattle.
Yessir: "•Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)"
Got the sheet with the emissions numbers?

Plate spinner

17,698 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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I can't offer technical advice - all I can say is give it an Italian tune up on the way and turn up at the MOT station with everything as hot as possible!

Sycamore

Original Poster:

1,782 posts

118 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Sycamore said:
TooMany2cvs said:
High CO, but HC and Lambda were good? That definitely sounds like cat - especially given the rattle.
Yessir: "•Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)"
Got the sheet with the emissions numbers?
I do but at home. I will post up later - Thank you.

I-A

410 posts

157 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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It might be worth trying Cataclean.

matchmaker

8,490 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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I-A said:
It might be worth trying Cataclean.
Yes, worth a try.

addz86

1,439 posts

186 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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As said, service it and chuck a cataclean in on the last 1/4 of a tank and give it a good thrashing

KerwinRobertson

135 posts

82 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Use BG 44K cleaner or the Forte range of cleaners, they are the only ones I have found that work.

Drive Blind

5,096 posts

177 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Plate spinner said:
I can't offer technical advice - all I can say is give it an Italian tune up on the way and turn up at the MOT station with everything as hot as possible!
+1 for this

this fix has saved me twice at MOT time when the guy was quoting me £££'s to replace parts.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Sycamore said:
So far I plan to clean the lambda sensors
How do you clean an oxygen sensor? You can't even see the element on most.

Dedders

145 posts

96 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Put a VW badge on it?

Decky_Q

1,512 posts

177 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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The rattle sounds like cat elements have come loose.
If this is the case and this is a shed, sometimes you can put a jack under the cat and slightly crush it to trap the loose element, stop the rattle and get it through test.
If it's not a shed, take the old cat to scrappy and buy a spurious/universal cat to replace it.

Sycamore

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1,782 posts

118 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Sycamore said:
TooMany2cvs said:
High CO, but HC and Lambda were good? That definitely sounds like cat - especially given the rattle.
Yessir: "•Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)"
Got the sheet with the emissions numbers?
Failed on CO. Max is 0.3%

Mine failed with 0.54%

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Sycamore said:
Failed on CO. Max is 0.3%

Mine failed with 0.54%
What's the HC and Lambda?

Sycamore

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1,782 posts

118 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Sycamore said:
Failed on CO. Max is 0.3%

Mine failed with 0.54%
What's the HC and Lambda?
HC max is 200ppm. I'm on 59/39.
Lambda allowable is 0.95-1.09. I'm on 1.01.

Edit: CO passed on natural idle, with 0.49% (0.5 allowed) it failed CO on both fast idle tests.
Maybe it's overfuelling when revving /accelerating.

As you mentioned, Cat is likely. I'll give it a service this weekend and give it some cataclean and have it retested. If end up with another fail I'll just replace the cat.

Edited by Sycamore on Friday 22 September 17:31