What replacement for Mk4 Mondeo Estate?
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CaptainSlow said:
MC Bodge said:
CaptainSlow said:
Avoid diesel Mazdas...ask me how I know.
How do you know?A friend has a 2009 Mazda 5, which has had DPF issues (from short journeys). I thought Mazda had sorted it out now, though.
The diesel dump into the crankcase during interrupted regens is the least of the issues.
Make sure your friend has the oil strainer in the sump inspected at the next oil change.
Affects all diesels, even new ones.
Maybe I should just fit Bilsteins all-round and new suspension bushes to the Mondeo after all...
Oh yes, budget around £12K.
I have to say that, once again, the options seem fairly uninspiring
Having looked at Mondeos more closely, the 2015 onward Mk5 Mondeo doesn't sound to be very good for the enthusiastic driver and owners forums don't appear too enthusiastic about them.
The Mazda diesel doesn't sound very promising, which is a shame, as I suspect the rest of the car might have been ideal.
Superbs look like decent big cars, but reviews don't really make the handling sound very good. Most second hand cars are the lower powered diesels.
I'm, surprisingly, finding myself considering the Insignia.
Again, almost all are diesels. My experiences of them in the past have been unbelievably gruntless, peaky 1.8s with zero feel steering.
They are cheap, though. Edit: the boot is smaller than my car.
I have to say that, once again, the options seem fairly uninspiring
Having looked at Mondeos more closely, the 2015 onward Mk5 Mondeo doesn't sound to be very good for the enthusiastic driver and owners forums don't appear too enthusiastic about them.
The Mazda diesel doesn't sound very promising, which is a shame, as I suspect the rest of the car might have been ideal.
Superbs look like decent big cars, but reviews don't really make the handling sound very good. Most second hand cars are the lower powered diesels.
I'm, surprisingly, finding myself considering the Insignia.
Again, almost all are diesels. My experiences of them in the past have been unbelievably gruntless, peaky 1.8s with zero feel steering.
They are cheap, though. Edit: the boot is smaller than my car.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 20th August 21:28
MC Bodge said:
I'm, surprisingly, finding myself considering the Insignia.
Again, almost all are diesels. My experiences of them in the past have been unbelievably gruntless, peaky 1.8s with zero feel steering.
They are cheap, though. Edit: the boot is smaller than my car.
I was not impressed by the Insignia, ok so it was the 1.8i but the engine seemed designed both to have none of the advantages of a petrol with all the disadvantages. The handling was insipid and the entire car felt like it had been designed by multiple different committees who refused to talk to one another. Again, almost all are diesels. My experiences of them in the past have been unbelievably gruntless, peaky 1.8s with zero feel steering.
They are cheap, though. Edit: the boot is smaller than my car.
What summed it up for me was the owners manual. Mercedes etc might have a slot for it, in the Mondeo it'll fit in the bottom of the glove box.
In the insignia it was wedged ignominiously diagonally into the glove box because it didn't fit any other way round and in doing so occupied almost all the space in there. Now I may be unfair to the Insignia if there is a dedicated location I couldn't find but it epitomised my feelings on the car. Just a general lack of care in the design and how it all worked together.
Dash looked nice though.
MC Bodge said:
Having looked at Mondeos more closely, the 2015 onward Mk5 Mondeo doesn't sound to be very good for the enthusiastic driver and owners forums don't appear too enthusiastic about them.
The lack of decent petrol option, auto only and downgrade on how they drive puts me off. Trouble is that I cannot find anything that will be as good a steer that is the same kind of size as the Mondeo Estate (and performance of the 2.5T) short of spending very large amounts...and in my case I don't want an auto either which rules out even those.
Bah humbug.
Fastdruid said:
MC Bodge said:
Having looked at Mondeos more closely, the 2015 onward Mk5 Mondeo doesn't sound to be very good for the enthusiastic driver and owners forums don't appear too enthusiastic about them.
The lack of decent petrol option, auto only and downgrade on how they drive puts me off. Trouble is that I cannot find anything that will be as good a steer that is the same kind of size as the Mondeo Estate (and performance of the 2.5T) short of spending very large amounts...and in my case I don't want an auto either which rules out even those.
Bah humbug.
I'm back in the market, although I'm really not sure if anything satisfies my requirements.
I suspect that nothing will be as suitable as the Mk4 Mondeo estate has been.
A new requirement is for something without antisocial, laser-esque headlights.
I'll try some of the older and newer Superbs.
Going left-field, The Kodiaq might be ok, but out of budget.
I suspect that nothing will be as suitable as the Mk4 Mondeo estate has been.
A new requirement is for something without antisocial, laser-esque headlights.
I'll try some of the older and newer Superbs.
Going left-field, The Kodiaq might be ok, but out of budget.
I had a MK4 TitX 140 and only changed as I simply fancied a change.
The MK5 was out as I simply didn't like the looks or the seats. The Superb was great until I sat in the drivers seat, and that was the problem. The seats. (I'm short for my weight)
The budget was increased a bit (quite a bit) and I treated myself to a 5 Series Touring.
Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come close
The MK5 was out as I simply didn't like the looks or the seats. The Superb was great until I sat in the drivers seat, and that was the problem. The seats. (I'm short for my weight)
The budget was increased a bit (quite a bit) and I treated myself to a 5 Series Touring.
Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come closeSir Bagalot said:
The budget was increased a bit (quite a bit) and I treated myself to a 5 Series Touring. Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come close
If they did a 5 touring with a decent engine and a manual gearbox they're be at the top of my list as a replacement for my 2.5T TitX Estate... As they don't, I'm still lost as what to replace it with. Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come closeSir Bagalot said:
I had a MK4 TitX 140 and only changed as I simply fancied a change.
The MK5 was out as I simply didn't like the looks or the seats. The Superb was great until I sat in the drivers seat, and that was the problem. The seats. (I'm short for my weight)
The budget was increased a bit (quite a bit) and I treated myself to a 5 Series Touring. Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come close
I've heard that the Superb seats are quite hugging, but I prefer that and the wife is quite trim too.The MK5 was out as I simply didn't like the looks or the seats. The Superb was great until I sat in the drivers seat, and that was the problem. The seats. (I'm short for my weight)
The budget was increased a bit (quite a bit) and I treated myself to a 5 Series Touring.
Best car I've owned, but the TitX did come closeGlasgowrob said:
get a newer mk4 Mondeo
the mk5 is a dog in comparison.
to the point i'm throwing my mk5 taxi out as a rental and running about in a mk4.5
They don't do the Mk4.5 with any decent petrol engines. the mk5 is a dog in comparison.
to the point i'm throwing my mk5 taxi out as a rental and running about in a mk4.5
They stopped the 2.5T in 2010 and the 2.0T isn't a patch on it (and auto only).
oh i dont know the 2.0T isnt a bad lump and the auto certainly isnt the worst.
either that or live with a slightly older Mondy and get a 2.5T
Just dont change your mk4 for a mk5 you will end up dissapointed.
you might have guessed i'm a huge fan of the mk4 Mondeo, and think their totally underrated cars
either that or live with a slightly older Mondy and get a 2.5T
Just dont change your mk4 for a mk5 you will end up dissapointed.
you might have guessed i'm a huge fan of the mk4 Mondeo, and think their totally underrated cars
Glasgowrob said:
oh i dont know the 2.0T isnt a bad lump and the auto certainly isnt the worst.
It's not bad in isolation. The trouble is in comparison to the 2.5T. I refuse to buy an auto though. Not happening so that excludes it anyway.Glasgowrob said:
either that or live with a slightly older Mondy and get a 2.5T
Ah, there you see, that is the problem. I *have* a 2.5T
The trouble is that it won't last for ever, I've had it 6 years and 60k. While this obviously isn't a patch on your mileage at some point it will need a replacement and I don't have any ideas with what to replace it with.
Glasgowrob said:
keep it cherish it,
add some decent suspension (i used Bilstein B12 kit on mine to great effect) and get it mapped with a stainless
It's still going to die sometime so I have to *consider* a replacement... Mapping adds another ~50 hp. Kind of needs a better intercooler as well. add some decent suspension (i used Bilstein B12 kit on mine to great effect) and get it mapped with a stainless
Sir Bagalot said:
And remove those wing badges
Only one wing badge. Actually that's the *only* give away that it's the 2.5T. Unless you're utterly anorak (2007-10, twin exhausts, Tit or TitX and no TDCI badge). Could be worse. Someone wanted everyone to know what theirs was.
It appears that turbo petrol manual large estates didn't exist until recently.
The usual websites don't through up many options.
150bhp VAG cars are fairly new and not cheap.
There is more choice in the Focus/Golf sized estate cars, but I want a big boot for camping trips and tip runs and I do like the smooth cruising ability of the Mondeo.
The usual websites don't through up many options.
150bhp VAG cars are fairly new and not cheap.
There is more choice in the Focus/Golf sized estate cars, but I want a big boot for camping trips and tip runs and I do like the smooth cruising ability of the Mondeo.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 11th February 21:46
What about a V70? There are some petrol ones about and that budget will get a relatively recent one I expect (although I must say I haven’t checked recently).
Mine isn’t in line with your needs, as it’s a 2009 diesel. But it’s completely reliable at 165k, having only had service items and a couple of consumable suspension bits that were a discretionary replacement on my part.
It is supremely comfortable, which passengers always remark on. Carries loads and drives surprisingly well, partly because of the Mondeo platform parts I suspect. The PSA/Ford engine has been faultless in my 2.5 years of ownership and the service history suggests the same has applied for the rest of the car’s life too.
I imagine a newer petrol would be a nice car, if unlikely to encourage spirited B road drives.
Sorry if you’ve already discounted these - I haven’t read the whole thread.
Mine isn’t in line with your needs, as it’s a 2009 diesel. But it’s completely reliable at 165k, having only had service items and a couple of consumable suspension bits that were a discretionary replacement on my part.
It is supremely comfortable, which passengers always remark on. Carries loads and drives surprisingly well, partly because of the Mondeo platform parts I suspect. The PSA/Ford engine has been faultless in my 2.5 years of ownership and the service history suggests the same has applied for the rest of the car’s life too.
I imagine a newer petrol would be a nice car, if unlikely to encourage spirited B road drives.
Sorry if you’ve already discounted these - I haven’t read the whole thread.
Fastdruid]The Volvo V70 isn't as good a steer with reviews calling it dull to drive and that along with the lack of a manual[1 said:
discounts it personally.
[1] The 2.5T was only available to 2010 (ie the same as the Mondeo), the T6 and 3.2 was auto only.
Fair enough on the lack of petrol manuals. Mine is a manual, which I sought out deliberately, but it’s diesel. My one is essentially a Mondeo underneath and drives like one as far as I can tell. Again, I am not sure how true that is of the newer ones. Did they stop using Ford underpinnings or did they carry on until run out in 2016? [1] The 2.5T was only available to 2010 (ie the same as the Mondeo), the T6 and 3.2 was auto only.
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