Buy diesel in 2018 or not?
Discussion
ph-sum said:
daemon said:
Again, you're into the realms of a national search, not a local one to get the right car at the right price. You "should" be able to get one a bit cheaper than a diesel variant.
What was the year, gearbox, miles and price of the one you were looking at?
I am looking at 2015, Auto, less than 30k miles. I am looking around 16k.What was the year, gearbox, miles and price of the one you were looking at?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
daemon said:
Thanks for your effort and the link. My filters on Autotrader are set to 30k miles.ph-sum said:
daemon said:
Thanks for your effort and the link. My filters on Autotrader are set to 30k miles.
I recently bought my missus a Fabia Monte Carlo estate 110bhp petrol.
7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
Trevor555 said:
I recently bought my missus a Fabia Monte Carlo estate 110bhp petrol.
7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
Whilst its no doubt a good car :-7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
(a) The O/P has told us he wants to buy a Merc, Audi, BMW or JAG.
(b) Even if he were looking outside of that, i'd have thought in the Skoda range and looking for a medium / large saloon (styled) car he'd be looking at the Superb?
daemon said:
Trevor555 said:
I recently bought my missus a Fabia Monte Carlo estate 110bhp petrol.
7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
Whilst its no doubt a good car :-7,000 miles, 10 months old £13,000
Having driven it a few times I'm impressed how good it is for what's supposed to be a cheap car, I recommend you try one if you can live with the badge.
£20 road tax, and averaging 45mpg.
And people keep telling me what a smart looking car it is, I didn't expect that!!
(a) The O/P has told us he wants to buy a Merc, Audi, BMW or JAG.
(b) Even if he were looking outside of that, i'd have thought in the Skoda range and looking for a medium / large saloon (styled) car he'd be looking at the Superb?
daemon said:
Whilst its no doubt a good car :-
(a) The O/P has told us he wants to buy a Merc, Audi, BMW or JAG.
(b) Even if he were looking outside of that, i'd have thought in the Skoda range and looking for a medium / large saloon (styled) car he'd be looking at the Superb?
Yes looking to choose from Merc, Audi, BMW or Jag, please.(a) The O/P has told us he wants to buy a Merc, Audi, BMW or JAG.
(b) Even if he were looking outside of that, i'd have thought in the Skoda range and looking for a medium / large saloon (styled) car he'd be looking at the Superb?
I was recently in the petrol diesel conundrum but it's the oodles of torque that comes with diesel which made my mind up for me.
Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
Pistom said:
I was recently in the petrol diesel conundrum but it's the oodles of torque that comes with diesel which made my mind up for me.
Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
Great, I am doing 20 to 30miles per day and on the weekend bit more. Even the Audi a3 diesel is a great car and returning impressive miles per gallon. Looking for new main car now.Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
A6 3.0 tdi Quattro auto sline....
oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
ruggedscotty said:
A6 3.0 tdi Quattro auto sline....
oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
vote for diesel!!oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
if you want a specific make/model the diesel vs petrol debate isn't as cut and dry. the germans and Jag for the vintage you are looking at are very diesel orientated. the "if you do 15k a year or less buy a petrol" point doesn't always make sense. if you can, id buy a euro6 diesel which should be immune from any tax issues for a long time and by then the political winds will have probably changed direction. for regular cars, the diesels still offer an unbeatable mix of fuel economy and performance.
Jag_NE said:
if you want a specific make/model the diesel vs petrol debate isn't as cut and dry. the germans and Jag for the vintage you are looking at are very diesel orientated. the "if you do 15k a year or less buy a petrol" point doesn't always make sense. if you can, id buy a euro6 diesel which should be immune from any tax issues for a long time and by then the political winds will have probably changed direction. for regular cars, the diesels still offer an unbeatable mix of fuel economy and performance.
+1Jag_NE said:
if you want a specific make/model the diesel vs petrol debate isn't as cut and dry. the germans and Jag for the vintage you are looking at are very diesel orientated. the "if you do 15k a year or less buy a petrol" point doesn't always make sense. if you can, id buy a euro6 diesel which should be immune from any tax issues for a long time and by then the political winds will have probably changed direction. for regular cars, the diesels still offer an unbeatable mix of fuel economy and performance.
Plenty of issues with XF diesels throwing DPF lights regularly when used in town from what I've read... is a run out every weekend enough to keep an EU6 diesel clean? At least your commute is of reasonable length to ensure the engine gets upto temperature but I'd be worried about some complex component replacement costs associated with running a modern diesel in this sort of situation over fuel economy.Also I've never really understood why VED is cited as an issue even going from very low rates @ £30 > £300+ it's still small cost compared to the depreciation / finance interest when looking to buy a car at this price point and is something that you can plan around / spread out.
Outlander PHEV not 'premium' enough? - should have just enough range to do the commute not burning much if any petrol, spacious and should be alright on a cruise if not spectacular.
Camelot1971 said:
I wouldn't get fixated on the cost of tax. It's just a very small part of the overall cost of running a car - other costs will far outweigh it.
For less than 15k miles a year, I would run a petrol car. Less, generally, to go wrong and given where we are with diesels, likely to be worth more money than the equivalent diesel when you do sell it on.
A4 1.4TFSi would be a good choice
Why do some posters keep on saying...........Oh you MUST do more than 15k miles a year for.???For less than 15k miles a year, I would run a petrol car. Less, generally, to go wrong and given where we are with diesels, likely to be worth more money than the equivalent diesel when you do sell it on.
A4 1.4TFSi would be a good choice
Pistom said:
I was recently in the petrol diesel conundrum but it's the oodles of torque that comes with diesel which made my mind up for me.
Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
Most modern petrol cars are turbo petrol so you can drive on the torque (and have the benefit of a bit of RPM too).Long range was also a factor. Not many petrols can do 6-700 miles between fill ups.
So what if I have to pay a bit more tax.
As for big bills, I've done over 1000K miles in diesels and the biggest bill I've had was for a set of glow plugs in the 1980s on a Citroen BX.
If you're doing big miles, diesels are still the way to go. However i would say 12,000 mile pa and i'd be going for a petrol.
Too many risks with modern diesels around DPFs, DMFs, turbos, injectors, pumps, etc. I bought my Passat TDI at a year old and 16K miles on it. Needed a new DPF before 18,000 miles (light came on a week after i got it so the issue lay in its first years driving). Got it done under warranty but there was a £2,350 bill if i'd been paying.
Why have the risk when the O/P is doing just average miles or less?
mikal83 said:
Why do some posters keep on saying...........Oh you MUST do more than 15k miles a year for.???
I think you'll find you put the MUST in, anyone else has suggested it, not said its a necessity.Realistically these days, unless a modern diesel variant is getting lots of long runs and doing significant miles you are at great risk of clogging up the DPF / EGR valve.
So the rough rule of thumb is that if you're only doing 12,000 to 15,000 a year or less then you're better avoiding the risk of DPF issues and going for petrol or a hybrid.
ph-sum said:
ruggedscotty said:
A6 3.0 tdi Quattro auto sline....
oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
vote for diesel!!oddles of torque and powerful enough to meet the requirements of the road.
easy on the juice too and a cabin that is a nice place to be.
there will always be issues between petrol and diesel when the government is trying to ilk money from the populous when cars are getting better on the juice and tax pounds are dropping.
petrol was the ogre for many years and we were getting pushed towards diesel, now its diesels turn and were being pushed towards petrol again, well we will be until they see the co2 emissions going up again and then it will be hybrids, oh wait sorry I see we are heading down the hybrid route already.... And special dispensation for council vehicles and emergency vehicles to use diesel.... yeah smacks pretty much of do as I say not as we do governmental instruction.....
stick to diesel,.
A four pot diesel is a different fish, nor are you necessarily doing the miles to warrant it.
daemon said:
Most modern petrol cars are turbo petrol so you can drive on the torque (and have the benefit of a bit of RPM too).
If you're doing big miles, diesels are still the way to go. However i would say 12,000 mile pa and i'd be going for a petrol.
Too many risks with modern diesels around DPFs, DMFs, turbos, injectors, pumps, etc. I bought my Passat TDI at a year old and 16K miles on it. Needed a new DPF before 18,000 miles (light came on a week after i got it so the issue lay in its first years driving). Got it done under warranty but there was a £2,350 bill if i'd been paying.
Why have the risk when the O/P is doing just average miles or less?
Are they finding any problems with modern petrols though? Engines ar getting smaller and smaller and they are squeezing out more power - so are they getting over complicated or is that not the case.If you're doing big miles, diesels are still the way to go. However i would say 12,000 mile pa and i'd be going for a petrol.
Too many risks with modern diesels around DPFs, DMFs, turbos, injectors, pumps, etc. I bought my Passat TDI at a year old and 16K miles on it. Needed a new DPF before 18,000 miles (light came on a week after i got it so the issue lay in its first years driving). Got it done under warranty but there was a £2,350 bill if i'd been paying.
Why have the risk when the O/P is doing just average miles or less?
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