Rejecting Car Based on Misleading MPG
Discussion
vikingaero said:
What do you propose instead of the current system?
Well, the current system - WLTP - is not the system the OP is complaining about - NEDC. It's a very different test, and it's already seen a lot of cars failing to meet Euro6 (which is now a 4yo standard) and having to be withdrawn from the market and/or re-engineered.vikingaero said:
It's interesting to note that only one car needs to be tested. I imagine that will be the base model with super skinny tyres. Your GT Line will probably have the widest wheels in the range and never have been tested for MPG.
It will. The figures have to apply to your exact spec. Different tyre size? Retest (and may well knock into a higher bracket). Different weight? Retest. Different aerodynamics? Retest. Go look at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/ - there's a range of different figures for a basic model.Shrub said:
Guys, thanks for all the answers - useful and not so useful... It's the internet so ignore the nonsense and take on board the good stuff.
I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
It doesn't claim to do things it can't. Replicate the standard test and you will get the result you want. Drive a different way and you will get a different result.I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
The manufacturer does not set the test, and they have no choice in doing it.
Shrub said:
So it comes out at 47.9 for my car. Hmmm
You're getting 44.5 so a little change in driving style & you could achieve Peugeots actual figures which means Peugeots figures aren't misleading it's the Government figures which all car makers have to use in their literature that are off therefore you can't reject the car. Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 8th July 10:42
ZX10R NIN said:
Shrub said:
So it comes out at 47.9 for my car. Hmmm
You're getting 44.5 so a little change in driving style & you could achieve Peugeots actual figures which means Peugeots figures aren't misleading it's the Government figures which all car makers have to use in their literature that are off therefore you can't reject the car. Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 8th July 10:42
OP move on and enjoy your new car.
Shrub said:
Guys, thanks for all the answers - useful and not so useful... It's the internet so ignore the nonsense and take on board the good stuff.
I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
You haven't been mis-sold, you didn't do your homework. You could almost certainly improve your fuel consumption figure by over 10% by changing your driving style. I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
Dan W. said:
Trevor555 said:
Shrub said:
Hi
I bought a 2017 Peugeot 5008 SUV GT Line 1.6 diesel on the 4th July.
Just a side note OPI bought a 2017 Peugeot 5008 SUV GT Line 1.6 diesel on the 4th July.
If the car develops any faults within 30 days you can reject it for a full refund.
Willy Nilly said:
Shrub said:
Guys, thanks for all the answers - useful and not so useful... It's the internet so ignore the nonsense and take on board the good stuff.
I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
You haven't been mis-sold, you didn't do your homework. You could almost certainly improve your fuel consumption figure by over 10% by changing your driving style. I feel this is a valid question and the ladder analogy sums it up well. I bought a product that claims to do things. Some of these things it does not do. I have been mis-sold. In any other trade it would be black and white and a no quibble return and refund. Why is the motor trade different?
Don't be angry at me for asking a simple question. Be angry at the manufacturers who do this to us. We all know we're getting lied to and stiffed. Change starts with one person.
How do you turn off notifications by the way
I can actually get close to the figures that Peugeot give on the RCZ, so 44.x mpg at 75, im probably around 41 or 42, but driving with little or no throttle response, the 3008 SUV gives me similar fuel consumption my 2005 astra H 1.9ltr 16v 120 CDTi sportsback gave me, so that's really not bad, yes it say's it can do 65mpg, and no doubt I could get high 50's or even 60mpg on a run, but weather, road type, traffic, air con, hills etc will play their part in stopping me getting this. For example, I have driven just over 210 miles since I filled the car up, I have filled the car back up with 14.76ltrs of diesel, even adding for another half a gallon that is still around 55mpg, car says 50mpg, its still good for a car of that size.
So basically, conditions, tyres, temperature, weather, driving style, traffic, hills etc can all affect the mpg, as can a new engine (mine has gradually improved over its last 15000 miles).
Who you blame for it not being available is open to debate, however it's not an unusual or unreasonable concept to want to know reasonably accurate MPG figures for any given vehicle.
Running costs are an entirely appropriate metric when deciding what to buy.
Yes, there will be variations due to driving styles, however the previous tests have been discredited beyond any doubt and it remains to be seen whether the new one will be fit for purpose.
Running costs are an entirely appropriate metric when deciding what to buy.
Yes, there will be variations due to driving styles, however the previous tests have been discredited beyond any doubt and it remains to be seen whether the new one will be fit for purpose.
On the assumption that this is a serious question.
The MPG figures that were quoted were for a car on a rolling road in a laboratory in a very particular set of circumstances.
You cannot replicate those circumstances, so you will never achieve* those figures.
Of course,* it is possible that in a certain set of circumstances you may better those quoted figures.
I hope this helps.
That was me being polite.
Now - where have you been all your life? In a cave?
The MPG figures that were quoted were for a car on a rolling road in a laboratory in a very particular set of circumstances.
You cannot replicate those circumstances, so you will never achieve* those figures.
Of course,* it is possible that in a certain set of circumstances you may better those quoted figures.
I hope this helps.
That was me being polite.
Now - where have you been all your life? In a cave?
janesmith1950 said:
however it's not an unusual or unreasonable concept to want to know reasonably accurate MPG figures for any given vehicle.
And the only way to give figures that can be used as any kind of comparison is to take the variables - driving style, traffic, environmental factors - out of the equation with a standardised lab-based test.Thesprucegoose said:
The whole mpg claim is a moot point,the depreciation lost per year pales this into insignificance. The buy a new car to save money morons will keep carrying on, they keep the economy going though.
I love them as I sell cars, but I've never understood the mentality of trading in a perfectly good car for a new/newer car that has (on paper) better MPG, so that they can save money, yet it has cost them £5k to do so; £5k buys an awful lot of fuel.Like in days gone by, people bought a diesel for the £nil or £30 RFL, yet the car costs £1500 more than the petrol equivalent and they only do 5000 miles pa.
TooMany2cvs said:
HTP99 said:
Like in days gone by, people bought a diesel for the £nil or £30 RFL, yet the car costs £1500 more than the petrol equivalent and they only do 5000 miles pa.
Then they complain about the DPF clogging.Thesprucegoose said:
The whole mpg claim is a moot point,the depreciation lost per year pales this into insignificance. The buy a new car to save money morons will keep carrying on, they keep the economy going though.
They're not morons, you've just failed to fully understand their motives.No one spends all that money "to save money" but having made the decision to buy a new/er car because they want or need one they will then make choices about which one to buy. Choosing Model A over Model B because model A has lower running costs is entirely valid and reasonable.
What are your views on people who change their boiler or install solar panels to save money?
Wooda80 said:
They're not morons, you've just failed to fully understand their motives.
No one spends all that money "to save money"...
No one spends all that money "to save money"...
Shrub said:
I bought the car to replace my Land Rover Discovery 4 to save money on fuel.
Wooda80 said:
What are your views on people who change their boiler or install solar panels to save money?
Morons as well, any efficiency gains will roi over a long time, but the flawed thinking of saving money, they always forget to factor in initial costs....Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff