B-road attacking coupe in reasonable budget?

[snake_oil]

Phil Dicky said:

snake_oil said:

130i/135i ?

OP doesn't want a hatchback.

Come on Phil, are you on PH or not

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[ZackM]

snake_oil said:

Come on Phil, are you on PH or not

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

We can of course debate forever. But that's a 2 door saloon.

But regardless, not the type of car I'm looking for.

[ZackM]

ilikejam said:

What about a Jaguar XK (possibly XKR)? Don't really know anything about them and not sure if you get them in LHD - just a coupe I thought of that might be in budget! 5.0 V8 and possibly lighter than the 350Z?

Problem is the XK is automatic only. I want manual.

[Herbs]

BMW 6 Series

[Pothole]

ZackM said:

But when you take the time to write a detailed opening post and people proceed to just ignore it and offer suggestions which clearly don't match the request, it can get unproductive quickly. It starts becoming annoying.

You've not been here long, have you?

[stevekoz]

You will always get some options as you may end up considering something you hadn't before. Compromise is the key. Unless you find a vehicle that ticks every box for the budget and that is rare when the conditions are so strict. Not saying there is anything wrong with that.

That said. You have already stated yourself that the 350z seems the most logical box ticking choice.

Go drive one. See how you feel about it and if you like it then buy one. To hell with what anyone else says. We all have or have owned cars that others hated. It's personal choice and what is one persons favourite is another persons worst ever.

If however, you do drive one and find it wanting. Then as stated above. It could become a question of compromise. You might find you have to give a little, in order to find something better suited to the majority of your requirement.

I always like to sit down and consider why it is i want a specific type of car or a specific car. In case i can't find the one i want. So i'd sit and ask myself, Why don't I want a convertible or a folding roof? Is it due to the additional weight it adds to the body or how it effects the handling of the car? Or is it purely cosmetic reasons and I simply don't like it and couldn't live with it? Why front engined over mid. Why RWD etc. etc.

I'm just trying to point out that by revisiting your initial requirements. There may be areas you can reconsider to open up the choices. And if not. Is it better to live with something you perhaps aren't in love with because you could not make any other compromises.

[ZackM]

stevekoz said:

You will always get some options as you may end up considering something you hadn't before. Compromise is the key. Unless you find a vehicle that ticks every box for the budget and that is rare when the conditions are so strict. Not saying there is anything wrong with that.

That said. You have already stated yourself that the 350z seems the most logical box ticking choice.

Go drive one. See how you feel about it and if you like it then buy one. To hell with what anyone else says. We all have or have owned cars that others hated. It's personal choice and what is one persons favourite is another persons worst ever.

If however, you do drive one and find it wanting. Then as stated above. It could become a question of compromise. You might find you have to give a little, in order to find something better suited to the majority of your requirement.

I always like to sit down and consider why it is i want a specific type of car or a specific car. In case i can't find the one i want. So i'd sit and ask myself, Why don't I want a convertible or a folding roof? Is it due to the additional weight it adds to the body or how it effects the handling of the car? Or is it purely cosmetic reasons and I simply don't like it and couldn't live with it? Why front engined over mid. Why RWD etc. etc.

I'm just trying to point out that by revisiting your initial requirements. There may be areas you can reconsider to open up the choices. And if not. Is it better to live with something you perhaps aren't in love with because you could not make any other compromises.

That was a good read. Thanks. Yes, I guess it will boil down to that. Drive a 350Z and see if I love it. If not, as you say, go back to the drawing board and see where I can compromise.

Now is finding one near enough to me, preferably being sold by a dealer so I can drive it. Not an easy task I can tell you. They are very rare here. Can't remember last time I saw one or even if I have seen one since I'm living here. But I don't want to travel far just to drive a car. Reason why I'm trying to do as much reading on it as possible to see if any unforgivable red flags pop up. Bu so far so good.

[FlatToTheMat]

Pothole said:

ZackM said:

But when you take the time to write a detailed opening post and people proceed to just ignore it and offer suggestions which clearly don't match the request, it can get unproductive quickly. It starts becoming annoying.

You've not been here long, have you?

Zack, your'e responses are quite off key in my opinion, replying to people like they've been hired to find you a car and getting annoyed when its not what you want to hear, you've asked for advice but ruled out a huge number of cars, in an interest of something better or left field people have and will continue to suggest other cars barely out of the brief.

The 'time you've taken to write a detailed post..' Its for you pal, not for us. You're not doing us a favor

Anywho, back on topic!

Have you considered a 1/3 series BMW?

[MaxSo]

Camaro
Apologies in advance

[ZackM]

MaxSo said:

Camaro
Apologies in advance

Yes I did think about Camaros and Mustangs. The problem is price. The old Camaros from the 90's and early 2000s I don't think are any good. The new ones, at least here are above budget. Also, if the 350Z is thought as heavy, wouldn't the new Camaros be even heavier? I haven't checked.

[CABC]

ZackM said:

But when you take the time to write a detailed opening post and people proceed to just ignore it and offer suggestions which clearly don't match the request, it can get unproductive quickly. It starts becoming annoying.

your OP presents a problem of conflicting requirements. the Z does not meet 2 - 4 of these either.
The Evora, MX5 fail on only one. Elise, MR2 fail on 3.

"front engine, RWD, manual transmission, 6 cyl. and up, nimble, sporty and fun drive on B-roads but good on the motorway too"

[ZX10R NIN]

We have to remember the OP isn't in the UK so prices are different.

[ZackM]

CABC said:

your OP presents a problem of conflicting requirements. the Z does not meet 2 - 4 of these either.
The Evora, MX5 fail on only one. Elise, MR2 fail on 3.

"front engine, RWD, manual transmission, 6 cyl. and up, nimble, sporty and fun drive on B-roads but good on the motorway too"

Which requirements the 350Z doesn't meet?

[CABC]

ZackM said:

Which requirements the 350Z doesn't meet?

def not nimble or good on m'way.
questionable on sporty and fun on b roads (kind of same thing really? i'll give it a half mark on those)

btw i want to love the Z. have driven several over a few days. sadly, i find it lacking. it's not a GT and not that sporty. i love that it exists though.
NB i have not driven a Nismo, which apparently is v.goood

[MaxSo]

https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/chevrolet-camaro-...

[ZackM]

CABC said:

def not nimble or good on m'way.
questionable on sporty and fun on b roads (kind of same thing really? i'll give it a half mark on those)

btw i want to love the Z. have driven several over a few days. sadly, i find it lacking. it's not a GT and not that sporty. i love that it exists though.
NB i have not driven a Nismo, which apparently is v.goood

OK. But see, now we are already getting into the subjective. This is your opinion. But Tiff Needell for example seems to disagree with you and so does several reviewers I found online. The other specs are more defining because they are facts. It is a proper coupe.It is 2 doors. It is a hard top. It is RWD. It is manual transmission. It is 6 cyl. The rest, as in if it's sporty enough for me or not is something I will have to decide for myself. But it checks all the factual boxes.

[CABC]

ZackM said:

OK. But see, now we are already getting into the subjective. This is your opinion. But Tiff Needell for example seems to disagree with you and so does several reviewers I found online. The other specs are more defining because they are facts. It is a proper coupe.It is 2 doors. It is a hard top. It is RWD. It is manual transmission. It is 6 cyl. The rest, as in if it's sporty enough for me or not is something I will have to decide for myself. But it checks all the factual boxes.

true.
btw, did Tiff drive a std car or Nismo?
Reviews can be very subjective too, have you seen Monkey compare 370/GT86/Cayman?
i'm a big fan of the 86, but i'll admit to it's limitations, esp crap engine and lack of cruising comfort.
There's a lot to like about the Z.

[Phil Dicky]

ZackM said:

snake_oil said:

Come on Phil, are you on PH or not

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

We can of course debate forever. But that's a 2 door saloon.

But regardless, not the type of car I'm looking for.

Call it quits Snake?

[ZackM]

MaxSo said:

https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/chevrolet-camaro-...

Thanks. But this is what I mean. Too much money for what it is in my opinion. And I just checked and it's almost 200kg heavier than a 350Z. So if weight is a problem with the 350Z this is even worse.

[overunder12g]

"B road attacking" ?? Really?