Diesels - are they a risky buy?
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300bhp/ton said:
dmsims said:
How long would it have taken you to verify that fatuous "fact", all those Diesel CR-V sellers on Autotrader are going to be disappointed 
Not really sure what you are getting at. The 1997-2001 Gen. C-RV wasn’t sold with a diesel.Edited by dmsims on Monday 19th November 17:33
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CR-V
I wouldn't buy a diesel personally, for several different reasons.
Sten. said:
Leasing / PCP I wouldn't care what pump it drinks from, resale isn't my problem and diesel prices are not going to increase significantly enough in the coming years to matter.
I certainly wouldn't buy one though.
I would, and I did two years ago. I aim to keep for 10 years or more. After that I will not care what car I drive.I certainly wouldn't buy one though.
The diesel specific question, ignoring the diesel economics debate, depends where you live, and where you intend to be driving to. London already has the tightest emissions laws, and other cities are in consultation and are highly likely likely to be bringing in some form of charging. The unknown question is whether Euro 6 will stay out of the charging schemes, or rather, for how long. Nobody has guaranteed that in 3, or 4 or whatever years they won't be hit too. It's a sliding scale just like hybrids and EV's have been taken out of free congestion zone schemes and subsidies, and totally dependent on the political whims of the day.
Sooner or later everything will be demonised in turn, who knows, maybe a hybrid/EV battery recycling charge/precious Earth metal usage levy, and maybe a 'oh look, CO2 is rising since we discouraged diesel so we need an increased CO2 charge for petrol cars now too'.
Living in an area where charging is virtually guaranteed to be happening I wouldn't buy another diesel. I also have no faith in not being hammered for something else, whether petrol, hybrid, or EV, so any car purchase I make will be relatively frugal. My old buying model of buying almost new and keeping for 10 years is gone because I don't want to get left with a car that is now legislated against early on and I lose a load of money on it.
Sooner or later everything will be demonised in turn, who knows, maybe a hybrid/EV battery recycling charge/precious Earth metal usage levy, and maybe a 'oh look, CO2 is rising since we discouraged diesel so we need an increased CO2 charge for petrol cars now too'.
Living in an area where charging is virtually guaranteed to be happening I wouldn't buy another diesel. I also have no faith in not being hammered for something else, whether petrol, hybrid, or EV, so any car purchase I make will be relatively frugal. My old buying model of buying almost new and keeping for 10 years is gone because I don't want to get left with a car that is now legislated against early on and I lose a load of money on it.
I spent £18,500 on a used Diesel earlier this year and I’ve no regrets.
It is a 2015 65 plate Euro 6 330d M Sport with pro nav and heated seats. It has averaged 43.5mpg across a true mixed cycle of commuting in cities, motorway runs, going the shops etc over the last 12,000 miles whilst offering hot hatch levels of performance.
I’m sure I’d have no problems moving it on as and when I decide to sell it, for the money it’s a phenomenal car and the equivalent petrol would do at least 10mpg less.
It is a 2015 65 plate Euro 6 330d M Sport with pro nav and heated seats. It has averaged 43.5mpg across a true mixed cycle of commuting in cities, motorway runs, going the shops etc over the last 12,000 miles whilst offering hot hatch levels of performance.
I’m sure I’d have no problems moving it on as and when I decide to sell it, for the money it’s a phenomenal car and the equivalent petrol would do at least 10mpg less.
Ahbefive said:
not have to get diesel all over my hands at the pumps,
I've heard this a lot but never understood it, I've never got diesel or petrol on my hands at the pumps, how are people managing to do so? I do hate the smell of diesel, it's everywhere at the moment and usually from crappy Vauxhall MPVs on the school run among others. To be fair many modern Euro 6 don't really seem to smell and BMW's 6 cylinder diesel doesn't sound too bad either, although still never as nice or quiet as a decent petrol and I've always found interior heaters warm up faster with petrol engines.
I often get diesel on my hands when refuelling. No idea why, but happens may be 1 in 5 times?
People say about diesel prices crashing. However, diesel car sales are crashing, and yet there will be lots of people for who diesel cars make sense. So my best guess is that diesel prices will not be dropping too hard.
People say about diesel prices crashing. However, diesel car sales are crashing, and yet there will be lots of people for who diesel cars make sense. So my best guess is that diesel prices will not be dropping too hard.
I've suffered a few times with diesel on my hands and for some reason the diesel pumps do seem to get more messy. I've also suffered from the same thing filling up petrol too though.
I've always moaned about diesel clatter at idle, but I will admit that the 4 cylinder petrol in my Mini sounds almost as bad when its idling.
I've always moaned about diesel clatter at idle, but I will admit that the 4 cylinder petrol in my Mini sounds almost as bad when its idling.
Diesel pumps are always slippery with the stuff and leave your hands stinking and I'm not sure how people manage it as I've never spilt fuel while filling up...
Not that that would stop me buying a diesel if the right car came up. The good ones are very refined, and arguably nicer to drive than a lot of petrol engines as you don't need to work them hard to get a shove when you need it.
Not that that would stop me buying a diesel if the right car came up. The good ones are very refined, and arguably nicer to drive than a lot of petrol engines as you don't need to work them hard to get a shove when you need it.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've suffered a few times with diesel on my hands and for some reason the diesel pumps do seem to get more messy.
Diesel doesn't evaporate like petrol, so spill will remain longer. I have seen pump handles with diesel on, but it really isn't an issue 90% of the time. And many fuel stations have disposable gloves for free next to the pumps anyway.
euphoricmess said:
I find the diesel pumps are normally a bit dirtier with a diesel like glase on them so I always use the gloves that you get. No worries then.
May get some odd looks, and it may not be give me any PH cool points
Indeed it is a case of being normal for a diesel pump to be covered in carcinogenic diesel. It seems some people just don't even realise it at all and aren't at all sensitive to the fact that it is there. The gloves do alleviate this problem somewhat but not all petrol stations have gloves.May get some odd looks, and it may not be give me any PH cool points
It's amazing how many people are just not aware of what they are touching.
Ahbefive said:
Indeed it is a case of being normal for a diesel pump to be covered in carcinogenic diesel. It seems some people just don't even realise it at all and aren't at all sensitive to the fact that it is there. The gloves do alleviate this problem somewhat but not all petrol stations have gloves.
It's amazing how many people are just not aware of what they are touching.
I always used the gloves when I was running a diesel - when the forecourt had them I always picked up a few extra to put in the door pocket so it was never a problem using a forecourt that didn't! It's amazing how many people are just not aware of what they are touching.
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