Leggy Tiguan vs. Newer Qashai
Discussion
Looking at another Tiguan this afternoon - 2WD BlueMotion Match Tech - seems to have most of the things we like. 63 plate, 71k miles, FVWSH - £9k.
I've noticed the Pano-roof / sunroof is seemingly rare - would have liked this (standard on most QashQai's of a decent spec) are they problematic? Worth waiting for one with the right spec?
I'd also ruled out DSG-equipped cars as the mileages I'm looking at tend to be 70-100k miles and I figured the manual would be more simple - for the same reason as preferring a 2WD model. Am I correct in this assumption? Or does the usual high build quality extend to the DSG 'box?
The same dealer has a 62 plate CX-5 also. Sport Nav, 76k miles - £10,500.
I know above folks have said the Mazda is the better car, but £1,500 better for a slightly older, higher-miles model? The interior of the VW isn't "Exciting" but the Mazda hardly looks like something you'd pay more for.
Can someone enlighten me? Is the Mazda considerably more reliable? It's out of budget, but I don't get to decide - if the wife likes it, we just have to save for longer / borrow more!!
I've noticed the Pano-roof / sunroof is seemingly rare - would have liked this (standard on most QashQai's of a decent spec) are they problematic? Worth waiting for one with the right spec?
I'd also ruled out DSG-equipped cars as the mileages I'm looking at tend to be 70-100k miles and I figured the manual would be more simple - for the same reason as preferring a 2WD model. Am I correct in this assumption? Or does the usual high build quality extend to the DSG 'box?
The same dealer has a 62 plate CX-5 also. Sport Nav, 76k miles - £10,500.
I know above folks have said the Mazda is the better car, but £1,500 better for a slightly older, higher-miles model? The interior of the VW isn't "Exciting" but the Mazda hardly looks like something you'd pay more for.
Can someone enlighten me? Is the Mazda considerably more reliable? It's out of budget, but I don't get to decide - if the wife likes it, we just have to save for longer / borrow more!!
C.A.R. said:
I'd also ruled out DSG-equipped cars as the mileages I'm looking at tend to be 70-100k miles and I figured the manual would be more simple - for the same reason as preferring a 2WD model. Am I correct in this assumption? Or does the usual high build quality extend to the DSG 'box?
My only experience of a DSG box is in a Mk5 GTi. That had 120k on the clock and the gearbox was spot on. It mainly depends on whether it's been serviced correctly, I think the one in the golf needs the oil changing every 60k, something like that. The mechatronic unit in them is pretty solid if maintained (I think). This age Tiguan would still be the older 6 speed version I would have thought.I was lurking around the VW dealers yesterday for a Golf/Tiguan/something (and bought a TDi 2.0 DSG Jetta).
The comparo between the QQ and the Tiguan: There were some faults on earlier QQ's with self destructing engines and electrics, although VW's are not always trouble free. QQ K9K TDi's need a cambelt at six years or so which can be up to £600 to replace. The VW price is about the same for the belt and water pump change.
I noticed a lot of Tiguans have now come down in price, especially the diesels. There were some nice low milers around on the VW web site. They are v.pleasant to drive
The VW 'used' section has a stack of them, buying from an approved VW main dealer at least gets you the VW 1 year DasWeltAuto warranty. This proved useful when my used MkV Golf TDi ate its own turbo in month 11. (45,000 miles.) VW replaced it under warranty after a bit of arguing.
Haven't had any DPF issues on VW TDi's after owning two, now just bought the third. VW dealers will try to add on paint coatings, breakdown/GAP insurance and other misdemeanors on used cars at sale time, which bumps the price up. Also the P/X values offered on the main VW site were ignored when buying the Jetta yesterday.
VW site:
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/used-cars
The comparo between the QQ and the Tiguan: There were some faults on earlier QQ's with self destructing engines and electrics, although VW's are not always trouble free. QQ K9K TDi's need a cambelt at six years or so which can be up to £600 to replace. The VW price is about the same for the belt and water pump change.
I noticed a lot of Tiguans have now come down in price, especially the diesels. There were some nice low milers around on the VW web site. They are v.pleasant to drive
The VW 'used' section has a stack of them, buying from an approved VW main dealer at least gets you the VW 1 year DasWeltAuto warranty. This proved useful when my used MkV Golf TDi ate its own turbo in month 11. (45,000 miles.) VW replaced it under warranty after a bit of arguing.
Haven't had any DPF issues on VW TDi's after owning two, now just bought the third. VW dealers will try to add on paint coatings, breakdown/GAP insurance and other misdemeanors on used cars at sale time, which bumps the price up. Also the P/X values offered on the main VW site were ignored when buying the Jetta yesterday.
VW site:
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/used-cars
Edited by Slushbox on Wednesday 30th January 11:24
Just watch the Tiguan had a fair few issues with the emissions scandal, a lot of the updates were causing engine problems and it took a while to iron out a fix. This should all be ok now but worth watching out for. Mazda CX-5 also which I have no experience of seems to have reputation for engine failure for some reason!
It’s been a while, still no closer to a new car...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
"Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems."
As others point out, the oil won't get up to temperature in the winter. I checked my 2016 2.0 TDi yesterday, after 10 miles on the double carriageway it was at only 50C. It's at 90C usually. Outside air temp was +8C.
In VW-speak 9 miles counts as a 'short' cold journey, the usual recommendation is more frequent oil changes/cold starts = more expense. If the DPF doesn't get a chance to re-gen it starts throwing fault codes and yellow lights. If the oil doesn't get warm you get condensation and mayonnaise.
Also you're buying at the lower price, higher mileage end of the market. If there are any ash-filled DPF and sooty EGR issues, they will show up there. TDi timing belt changes variously quoted at 5 years, DSG services at 40,000 miles?
Upside will be 1 year warranty from a VW main dealer if you use one. They normally bring the service book up to date.
As others point out, the oil won't get up to temperature in the winter. I checked my 2016 2.0 TDi yesterday, after 10 miles on the double carriageway it was at only 50C. It's at 90C usually. Outside air temp was +8C.
In VW-speak 9 miles counts as a 'short' cold journey, the usual recommendation is more frequent oil changes/cold starts = more expense. If the DPF doesn't get a chance to re-gen it starts throwing fault codes and yellow lights. If the oil doesn't get warm you get condensation and mayonnaise.
Also you're buying at the lower price, higher mileage end of the market. If there are any ash-filled DPF and sooty EGR issues, they will show up there. TDi timing belt changes variously quoted at 5 years, DSG services at 40,000 miles?
Upside will be 1 year warranty from a VW main dealer if you use one. They normally bring the service book up to date.
C.A.R. said:
It’s been a while, still no closer to a new car...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
I'm in the market for a similar car later this year so have been keeping an eye on lease deals. The current best Tiguan deals will get you a 1.5 petrol Match DSG on 8k miles per year for around £9.5k for 3 years. A decent deal but not amazing. However it's brand new, under warranty, no MOT, no VED, etc.It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
C.A.R. said:
It’s been a while, still no closer to a new car...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
What's the reason for changing the Note? Having had two E11 Notes in our household, and having worked for Nissan and thus had access to various data, I can tell you that Notes are incredibly reliable and relatively simple cars. I'd be tempted to stick with the devil you know, rather than spend 8-9 thousand pounds on something with a high mileage, more expensive to run and potentially more likely to go wrong. It sounds like money is quite important to you, and that you're already worrying about the reliability of a Tiguan before you've even bought one.It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
If I needed a bigger car than our Note and had £8-9k to spend, I'd be tempted to look for something a bit newer and lower mileage, even if it meant it wasn't an SUV.
I personally wouldn't be considering any type of diesel for an 8 mile commute. I used to run a diesel Note (company car) for an 8 mile commute and in the winter months it was never fully warmed up by the time I got to work.
At the end of the day this is a sensible family car so might as well focus on reliability and running costs, and save money for the more exciting things in life?
Just my 2p.
Personally I'd get a loan & up the budget so you could get a newish car that you could extend the Manufacturer's Warranty for added peace of mind.
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Thanks for the replies.
Both decided that the lease thing isn't for us. Too much anxiety with potentially damaging it, going over mileage limit, not knowing what kind of employment my wife will be in in 12 months etc.
So back to looking at cars. I tried suggesting the Mini Countryman (could get a Cooper 1.6 petrol, much lower miles in our budget) but they're much smaller inside and my wife thinks the interior looks 'mental' - not in a good way
Suggested the Skoda Yeti, I think they're ace, very similar to a Tiguan (maybe lower body height) but it was also an instant rejection on the grounds that it looks as though it's for old people! Oh well.
She's set on a Tiguan now so that's that. The search commences at the end of March for a suitable car. Criteria will be Match / SE spec and a preference for black paint, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. A 170bhp one would be nice, since my new company car is what I refer to as the 'Hippy mobile' (Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid) so something a little sportier would be fun, but I know it's not going to be the most sporting of drives.
Is there anything fundamentally different from the CR140 to the 170hp variant? Different mechanically or just mapped differently?
Thanks again!
Both decided that the lease thing isn't for us. Too much anxiety with potentially damaging it, going over mileage limit, not knowing what kind of employment my wife will be in in 12 months etc.
So back to looking at cars. I tried suggesting the Mini Countryman (could get a Cooper 1.6 petrol, much lower miles in our budget) but they're much smaller inside and my wife thinks the interior looks 'mental' - not in a good way
Suggested the Skoda Yeti, I think they're ace, very similar to a Tiguan (maybe lower body height) but it was also an instant rejection on the grounds that it looks as though it's for old people! Oh well.
She's set on a Tiguan now so that's that. The search commences at the end of March for a suitable car. Criteria will be Match / SE spec and a preference for black paint, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. A 170bhp one would be nice, since my new company car is what I refer to as the 'Hippy mobile' (Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid) so something a little sportier would be fun, but I know it's not going to be the most sporting of drives.
Is there anything fundamentally different from the CR140 to the 170hp variant? Different mechanically or just mapped differently?
Thanks again!
Johnnytheboy said:
I don't know much about thee types of crossover thing as I've no desire to own one.
However, my manager had a ~2010 Tiguan then a 2013 Qashqai as company cars.
She loved the Tiguan and hated the Qashqai.
She's quite a tasty driver so you can read what you like into that.
Yea my wife is of the same opinion regarding the Qashqai, make sense on paper but just not all that nice, plus she’s suffered her Nissan Note for 4 years and it’s really like sitting in a bigger version of that, just feels cheaper by comparison.However, my manager had a ~2010 Tiguan then a 2013 Qashqai as company cars.
She loved the Tiguan and hated the Qashqai.
She's quite a tasty driver so you can read what you like into that.
One month to go then I’ll be cash in hand and looking!
Bought a Tiguan today - 61 plate SE Tech, 2wd 140bhp.
Paid £7,650 for it, 86,000 miles. Not due a service for another 6,000 and had the cambelt done by VW in 2017 at 74,000. Happy with the figures given the condition.
Mrs loves it, I’m also quite taken with it too. Does everything we need it to.
Thanks for all the contributions to this thread!
Paid £7,650 for it, 86,000 miles. Not due a service for another 6,000 and had the cambelt done by VW in 2017 at 74,000. Happy with the figures given the condition.
Mrs loves it, I’m also quite taken with it too. Does everything we need it to.
Thanks for all the contributions to this thread!
Good choice. Although I’m obviously a bit late to the party, I’ve had an XTrail for about 6 months so the big brother of the QQ. It’s a turd.
It does everything I want it to, but does nothing well. Underpowered, and for the lack of power you get poor economy (41mpg average... from a 1.6 diesel!!)
The interior is plasticy and cheap. No quality feel from any of it.
I’m shifting it on after 6 months as a bit of me dies every time I drive it.
So in short, good choice!
It does everything I want it to, but does nothing well. Underpowered, and for the lack of power you get poor economy (41mpg average... from a 1.6 diesel!!)
The interior is plasticy and cheap. No quality feel from any of it.
I’m shifting it on after 6 months as a bit of me dies every time I drive it.
So in short, good choice!
wiliferus said:
Underpowered, and for the lack of power you get poor economy (41mpg average... from a 1.6 diesel!!)
Depending on the type of use your comment seems a bit harsh - OK it’s a 1.6, but it’s in a brick.Wife’s late mk1 2 litre diesel 150PS 4Motion DSG Tiguan is doing a true 38MPG for local semi-rural / urban use and I’m happy with that.
I'm not sure about a used diesel VW, my MK V was absolutely dreadful, suffered expensive failures (ECU, turbo, ABS unit) and wasn't actually that well made. My friend has a Tiguan and that has been pretty unreliable too.
Conversely our two Qashqais have been pretty good, the old model feels cheap and plasticky but just keeps soldiering on, the new one is pretty refined and actually quite well screwed together. Our cars take an absolute pasting due to high mileage and poorly surfaced country lanes but have held together fine.
The main thing the VW has going for it is the housing estate credibility conferred by the badge.
Conversely our two Qashqais have been pretty good, the old model feels cheap and plasticky but just keeps soldiering on, the new one is pretty refined and actually quite well screwed together. Our cars take an absolute pasting due to high mileage and poorly surfaced country lanes but have held together fine.
The main thing the VW has going for it is the housing estate credibility conferred by the badge.
Sheepshanks said:
wiliferus said:
Underpowered, and for the lack of power you get poor economy (41mpg average... from a 1.6 diesel!!)
Depending on the type of use your comment seems a bit harsh - OK it’s a 1.6, but it’s in a brick.Wife’s late mk1 2 litre diesel 150PS 4Motion DSG Tiguan is doing a true 38MPG for local semi-rural / urban use and I’m happy with that.
I’ve had nothing but diesels for about a decade (do about 20k a year) and my usage profile has stayed pretty constant, and other than an XC90 which just drank diesel for fun, it’s the worst performing car for economy I’ve had.
I genuinely believe all the extra Euro gubbins makes economy worse.
My other half has a Volvo V70 D5 Euro3, and it easily hits 50mpg average day in day out.
I now have a V70 D5 Euro4 and it’s hovering at low 40’s. Same engine, granted different state of tune, but still. And to add to my argument, the Eu3 Volvo used to be my daily and I couldn’t get it below 50mpg average so it’s not my driving style or use.
Anyway, sorry, I digress.
Either way I think the OP has made a wise decision.
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