M140 Shadow Edition - just gone and ordered one
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I guess the massive discounts are there simply because the car doesn’t sell enough. It’s a 1 Series which always struggles for popularity against more mainstream alternatives like the Golf and Focus, and it has a bloody great six cylinder engine in it which isn’t exactly a mainstream proposition either.
Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
sotonjoe said:
I guess the massive discounts are there simply because the car doesn’t sell enough. It’s a 1 Series which always struggles for popularity against more mainstream alternatives like the Golf and Focus, and it has a bloody great six cylinder engine in it which isn’t exactly a mainstream proposition either.
Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
They've sold over 10,000 M140i. That's a lot in this class of car and easily outselling rivals. Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
The 6 cylinder engine returns better fuel economy than the similarly powered 4 cylinder cars and has cheaper road tax too. £140 for the M140i auto.
Required service intervals are longer than rivals and BMW servicing prices is on par with other manufacturers. Keep the car for 3 years and most people will need one service and a brake fluid change. That should be no more than £350 total. The second service is a bit more costly at around £550 at a main dealer.
The automatic assumption the bigger engine will be more expensive to run and it's normally not the case in this instance.
sotonjoe said:
I guess the massive discounts are there simply because the car doesn’t sell enough. It’s a 1 Series which always struggles for popularity against more mainstream alternatives like the Golf and Focus, and it has a bloody great six cylinder engine in it which isn’t exactly a mainstream proposition either.
Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
Not sure I agree there bud. The one series in all forms seems pretty popular and the M135 got an awful lot of good if not brilliant press. The six pot is it’s USP (well for now) in a segment dominated by turbo charged four pots. Add to that, some rather luke warm reviews from the motoring world with regards its handling and whether it’s actually fun to drive or a bit of a detached experience, and you end up needing to make it very attractive price-wise in order to sell it.
This is all coming from a 1 Series owner so I have no axe to grind with BMW, the 1 Series or the M135i/140i.
My local Sytner seem to do a roaring trade in them. And the stock cars went pretty sharpish.
With regards to discounts, I was offered a pretty good chunk of money off a GTI TCR and the first ones haven’t even been delivered yet.
BMW seem to do pretty big discounts across the range these days. They seem to have adopted the Ford model whereby the list price is fiction that no one pays.
Deep Thought said:
No Sunset Orange cars in UK stock with the spec we want so we are running with an estoril blue one.
Could have it by the weekend.
Good stuff. What spec were you after?Could have it by the weekend.
The sunset cars that I was offered were either poverty spec or crazy spec, taking it past the number for the higher VED.
SmudgerByName said:
Does anyone have a link or a contact for these offers? Looking for something to replace the Velar in a few months time and I need something quick again
I'm not sure if linking to other sites is allowed on here, but if you go to Baby BMW, under their sponsors section TRL (Tony Lewis) has a section which sets out the base deal plus the cost impact of options etc with his contact details.Court_S said:
SmudgerByName said:
Does anyone have a link or a contact for these offers? Looking for something to replace the Velar in a few months time and I need something quick again
I'm not sure if linking to other sites is allowed on here, but if you go to Baby BMW, under their sponsors section TRL (Tony Lewis) has a section which sets out the base deal plus the cost impact of options etc with his contact details.That's how I found it. I went armed to my local dealer but didn't need it though
HannsG said:
Deep Thought said:
And thats it home!
The alloys are anthracite but that was taken first thing this morn when it wasnt fully light yet.
Exactly what ours will look like. Nice! I'm glad I started this thread now!! The alloys are anthracite but that was taken first thing this morn when it wasnt fully light yet.
The alloys those are the orbit ones in the grey? Not matt black?
Yes, they're Orbit Grey, though darker looking than i was expecting.
Leicester Loyal said:
That is absolutely stunning. Enjoy it!
What are the running costs on these? I've read a few reviews of people saying it's cost them around 5-6k for a year, is this normal or were these people just unlucky?
Total cost of ownership (incl. depreciation and capital cost) might be around that, perhaps a bit higher. Running costs alone should be nowhere near. What are the running costs on these? I've read a few reviews of people saying it's cost them around 5-6k for a year, is this normal or were these people just unlucky?
For what it's worth, my costs are:
Road tax: £140 (make sure the new price with options is under £40k)
Insurance: I pay £650
3 year service pack from BMW is £399, so £135 per year. If it's under warranty there should be no repairs.
That makes ~£950 before fuel and depreciation.
Fuel: I get 26mpg in mixed driving. At 8,000 miles per year that's £1,650
So that's £2,600.
Depreciation: Say £4k per year for the first 3 years (value from £29k new to £17k after 3 years). Maybe this is aggressive - but I can't see 3 year old ones being worth more than £20k.
Capital cost: Say average value £18k over the ownership period, at 1.5% - that's £270 per year.
So total £6.5-£7k. Perhaps take £1k off that if you're feeling bold about residuals.
Leicester Loyal said:
That is absolutely stunning. Enjoy it!
What are the running costs on these? I've read a few reviews of people saying it's cost them around 5-6k for a year, is this normal or were these people just unlucky?
Based on what we've seen so far, i'm expecting to see low to mid 30's in terms of MPG, but we do mostly longish runs. Our Cooper S did around 38MPG over the same runs. We're running it on Super Unleaded which adds a bit to the fuelling costs compared to the Cooper S which ran 95RON.What are the running costs on these? I've read a few reviews of people saying it's cost them around 5-6k for a year, is this normal or were these people just unlucky?
Depreciation? If we were getting £6,000 a year depreciation, then it would be worth £10,000 at year 3 which sounds overly harsh.
Checking the figures from TRL over on Baby BMW they're showing a residual of £13.3K at 4 years which would make depreciation closer to £4K per year, assuming you kept it 4 years. Changing at 1 or 2 years, and, like any car the depreciation curve will be steeper.
I think most if not all 5 door performance hatchbacks of that ilk will show more depreciation than that.
Edited by Deep Thought on Sunday 31st March 17:00
brickwall said:
Total cost of ownership (incl. depreciation and capital cost) might be around that, perhaps a bit higher. Running costs alone should be nowhere near.
For what it's worth, my costs are:
Road tax: £140 (make sure the new price with options is under £40k)
Insurance: I pay £650
3 year service pack from BMW is £399, so £135 per year. If it's under warranty there should be no repairs.
That makes ~£950 before fuel and depreciation.
Fuel: I get 26mpg in mixed driving. At 8,000 miles per year that's £1,650
So that's £2,600.
Depreciation: Say £4k per year for the first 3 years (value from £29k new to £17k after 3 years). Maybe this is aggressive - but I can't see 3 year old ones being worth more than £20k.
Capital cost: Say average value £18k over the ownership period, at 1.5% - that's £270 per year.
So total £6.5-£7k. Perhaps take £1k off that if you're feeling bold about residuals.
BMW have quoted us £299 for three years.For what it's worth, my costs are:
Road tax: £140 (make sure the new price with options is under £40k)
Insurance: I pay £650
3 year service pack from BMW is £399, so £135 per year. If it's under warranty there should be no repairs.
That makes ~£950 before fuel and depreciation.
Fuel: I get 26mpg in mixed driving. At 8,000 miles per year that's £1,650
So that's £2,600.
Depreciation: Say £4k per year for the first 3 years (value from £29k new to £17k after 3 years). Maybe this is aggressive - but I can't see 3 year old ones being worth more than £20k.
Capital cost: Say average value £18k over the ownership period, at 1.5% - that's £270 per year.
So total £6.5-£7k. Perhaps take £1k off that if you're feeling bold about residuals.
The 5/6k figure seems reasonable I guess then and fairly standard when all costs are included, the models I was looking at were a couple of years old and not a Shadow Edition. Thanks for the replies.
This really is a stunning car, I can't help but keep looking at them online. I have to keep reminding myself I'm meant to be buying a house in a few months.
This really is a stunning car, I can't help but keep looking at them online. I have to keep reminding myself I'm meant to be buying a house in a few months.
Deep Thought said:
And thats it home!
The alloys are anthracite but that was taken first thing this morn when it wasnt fully light yet.
That looks lovely. EB really suits these. Now just the first boring 1200 miles to get through before you can really enjoy it.The alloys are anthracite but that was taken first thing this morn when it wasnt fully light yet.
For anyone else looking, Soper BMW have been advertising 0% on the outgoing 1 series. I have no idea what the discounts are like, I’d imagine it’s not the £10 plus thousands that were offered last quarter.
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