Please help me. I can’t decide which track car to buy..
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tommy10101 said:
A 200bhp per tonne caterham would be running out of puff quite early down the main straight
In that case I'd suggest you look at a Fury style car (7 style chassis with full bodywork for better aero) or a Ginetta.Quick look in the classified here yields a Ginetta G20 (power not stated) just over your budget, and a few Fury / Stylus / Phoenix cars that appear to have been built to be "drive to the track track day cars".
Elatino1 said:
That wasn't my point. You said they would be more fun than a 250bhp RWD car, the OP wanted a 250bhp/ton car.
Also no, thats not easily doable with a remap and stripping out, certainly not with the Clio anyway.
You need to get out more mate.Also no, thats not easily doable with a remap and stripping out, certainly not with the Clio anyway.
Edited by Elatino1 on Saturday 18th May 12:34
250bhp/tonne in a hot hatch is way more obtainable than in any of the RWD cars on offer.
Contigo said:
You need to get out more mate.
250bhp/tonne in a hot hatch is way more obtainable than in any of the RWD cars on offer.
Please show me how you get 250bhp/ton out of a clio with a remap. I'd love to see your maths on that. 250bhp/tonne in a hot hatch is way more obtainable than in any of the RWD cars on offer.
You are simply incorrect, no need to get arsey about it.
tommy10101 said:
what is an 86?
Toyota GT86 or Subaru BRZ.Google “evo gt86 turbo” and you’ll find an article regarding a review of doing what I have suggested.
Or I believe 350z are more popular with superchargers so there are sc kits available and a fair bit of info on the Internet.
Second option might mean you have more left over cash.
Edited by 321boost on Saturday 18th May 23:47
Elatino1 said:
Please show me how you get 250bhp/ton out of a clio with a remap. I'd love to see your maths on that.
You are simply incorrect, no need to get arsey about it.
Buy clip 172 for £1k then you have £14k to increase the engine power from 172 to 300++ bhp supercharged or Turbo. You are simply incorrect, no need to get arsey about it.
Or buy an x racer Clio Sport which will have that an more plus brakes shocks etc done for you
Welshbeef said:
Buy clip 172 for £1k then you have £14k to increase the engine power from 172 to 300++ bhp supercharged or Turbo.
Or buy an x racer Clio Sport which will have that an more plus brakes shocks etc done for you
Or buy an x racer Clio Sport which will have that an more plus brakes shocks etc done for you
a bit more than just a remap and it still isn't what the OP wanted as he wanted AWD or RWD. Not sure anyone in their right mind would do what you're suggesting and spend £14k in a car worth £1k. 
Looks like you're just being deliberately obtuse and answering a question nobody asked.
Having driven my old mr2 turbo on track (well modified too, with cage 300bhp etc), it wasn't as good as many lesser powered cars. Yes fast in a straight line, but handling particularly trail braking much harder than many other cars, it took alot more skill to drive well. I could get my stock gt86 round the full lap at Bedford faster for example even with 100bhp less. My gt4 celica with same engine as mr2 also faster over a lap again even though very heavy it handled very well. Overall out of driving about 15 diffident cars on track my choice would be a mx5 with forced induction of some sort. If you can't get low enough to be under a role bar in one maybe a gt86 with forced induction would be a good choice.
Elatino1 said:
Welshbeef said:
Buy clip 172 for £1k then you have £14k to increase the engine power from 172 to 300++ bhp supercharged or Turbo.
Or buy an x racer Clio Sport which will have that an more plus brakes shocks etc done for you
Or buy an x racer Clio Sport which will have that an more plus brakes shocks etc done for you
a bit more than just a remap and it still isn't what the OP wanted as he wanted AWD or RWD. Not sure anyone in their right mind would do what you're suggesting and spend £14k in a car worth £1k. Looks like you're just being deliberately obtuse and answering a question nobody asked.
Is AWD “fun” on the track? Fun is surely what it’s all about - if not OP would be going racing properly as those fractions of seconds here and there would be vital. We also don’t know how many trips a year he will do - it might be a smart idea to rent one track car for each trip until he finds the best one for his needs then if he still likes it buy one of those.
Has he ever experienced MR2 handling on track?
Welshbeef said:
I’m pretty sure a supercharger kit of turbo kit will not cost £14k but my point is you could have a full on x race car which will be an ultimate track car instead of a home made and developing thing which even when finished will still be inferior.
Is AWD “fun” on the track? Fun is surely what it’s all about - if not OP would be going racing properly as those fractions of seconds here and there would be vital. We also don’t know how many trips a year he will do - it might be a smart idea to rent one track car for each trip until he finds the best one for his needs then if he still likes it buy one of those.
Has he ever experienced MR2 handling on track?
Surely you're not suggesting a FWD car would make the "ultimate track car" or that it's more fun than a well balanced AWD? Nonsense. Is AWD “fun” on the track? Fun is surely what it’s all about - if not OP would be going racing properly as those fractions of seconds here and there would be vital. We also don’t know how many trips a year he will do - it might be a smart idea to rent one track car for each trip until he finds the best one for his needs then if he still likes it buy one of those.
Has he ever experienced MR2 handling on track?
I may be a little biased as my track car is a Subaru, but the rear biased DCCD versions are fantastic fun on track and don't suffer the understeer of the 50/50 split cars. The classics are also light. You can buy a two door Type-R for around 10-12k (thanks foreign keyboard for not having a pound sign
) and those are appreciating at the moment. A lightweight Type-RA (these are 4 door) with DCCD would be a fantastic base. The downside is they're old and would need some remediation most likely around the rear arches.
If you want to play throughout the year the AWD cars come into their own. It would be either front engine, AWD or mid engine RWD for me.
MR2 Turbo is a lot of fun!
With suspension upgrades and a good setup, the handling is fantastic. Problem is many people do power upgrades etc and leave it on 20 year old OEM Bilstein's and chuck some lowering springs on and expect the shocks to be happy with it.
Me at Brands Hatch a few days ago:
With suspension upgrades and a good setup, the handling is fantastic. Problem is many people do power upgrades etc and leave it on 20 year old OEM Bilstein's and chuck some lowering springs on and expect the shocks to be happy with it.
Me at Brands Hatch a few days ago:
SonicShadow said:
MR2 Turbo is a lot of fun!
With suspension upgrades and a good setup, the handling is fantastic. Problem is many people do power upgrades etc and leave it on 20 year old OEM Bilstein's and chuck some lowering springs on and expect the shocks to be happy with it.
Me at Brands Hatch a few days ago:
Absolutely fantastic cars, of which I've had a few. Just worth bearing in mind:With suspension upgrades and a good setup, the handling is fantastic. Problem is many people do power upgrades etc and leave it on 20 year old OEM Bilstein's and chuck some lowering springs on and expect the shocks to be happy with it.
Me at Brands Hatch a few days ago:
Sills rot from inside out at the rear and are likely to need doing if not done before, regardless of appearance
The undertrays are likely long gone and the bolts that secure them sheared
The MK3 handles better
T-bar cars are significantly heavier
A little over 300bhp is about the limit without a proper build
They run an old school dizzy cap ignition system so these obviously wear out over time
As an overall package they are bloody tough to beat though.
TroubledSoul said:
Absolutely fantastic cars, of which I've had a few. Just worth bearing in mind:
Sills rot from inside out at the rear and are likely to need doing if not done before, regardless of appearance
The undertrays are likely long gone and the bolts that secure them sheared
The MK3 handles better
T-bar cars are significantly heavier
A little over 300bhp is about the limit without a proper build
They run an old school dizzy cap ignition system so these obviously wear out over time
As an overall package they are bloody tough to beat though.
Wouldn’t a supercharged E46 M3 be a superior tool?Sills rot from inside out at the rear and are likely to need doing if not done before, regardless of appearance
The undertrays are likely long gone and the bolts that secure them sheared
The MK3 handles better
T-bar cars are significantly heavier
A little over 300bhp is about the limit without a proper build
They run an old school dizzy cap ignition system so these obviously wear out over time
As an overall package they are bloody tough to beat though.
Elatino1 said:
a bit more than just a remap and it still isn't what the OP wanted as he wanted AWD or RWD. Not sure anyone in their right mind would do what you're suggesting and spend £14k in a car worth £1k. Looks like you're just being deliberately obtuse and answering a question nobody asked.
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