Is there a better value than this coupe? Doesn't look like.
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Deep Thought said:
Missing the point
You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
Oh boy. You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
Shifter1 said:
Deep Thought said:
Its not pointless sarcasm - its a series of statements. Its not at all sarcastic.
The O/P told us he ruled out the 350Z because it was too heavy, and has all but ruled out the RX8 as he had one before and it was a money pit?
The 350Z i posted was outside the O/Ps budget (but by less than £1,000) but had low miles.
I wanted to help when i thought the O/P wanted help. It turns out he just wants affirmation that for his very specific criteria the Crossfire is the right choice for him. We've told him it is - for that criteria.
Jeez, the 350Z is more expensive. Not even in the run. And yes, it's a heavy car. If he had a RX8 and didn't like it, he can't want something different? Why you just don't say you want to nag? Jesus, you are a time waster.The O/P told us he ruled out the 350Z because it was too heavy, and has all but ruled out the RX8 as he had one before and it was a money pit?
The 350Z i posted was outside the O/Ps budget (but by less than £1,000) but had low miles.
I wanted to help when i thought the O/P wanted help. It turns out he just wants affirmation that for his very specific criteria the Crossfire is the right choice for him. We've told him it is - for that criteria.
Deep Thought said:
Missing the point
You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
What? No. Can you read? I asked if there was another car like the Crossfire for cheaper. If there is not, this is a result. Not because I set parameters that only a Crossfire can meet. LOL! I was just asking and genuinely wanting to know. I guess this is illegal? LOL.You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
CM2020 said:
Deep Thought said:
Missing the point
You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
What? No. Can you read? I asked if there was another car like the Crossfire for cheaper. If there is not, this is a result. Not because I set parameters that only a Crossfire can meet. LOL! I was just asking and genuinely wanting to know. I guess this is illegal? LOL.You objected to not including the Z4 relative to the Crossfire quip as it was "implying the Z4 coupe doesnt exist"
As far as the O/P is concerned, it doesnt. Its not within his very specific parameters.
Hes set his parameters so that only a Crossfire can meet it.
For your parameters and criteria, the Crossfire is pretty much the only choice.
Genuinely - go buy one. Its the car for you!
Deep Thought said:
The 350Z neednt be more expensive. A quick seach of A/T, gumtree, Ebay, Facebook shows that theres a variety of cars out there for £3K and under.
Yes. Just like the Z4 coupe. It needs not to be more expensive. Specially if you find one without the engine and gearbox. Are you grasping for straws. The 350Z sits higher in price currently. Whether you want it or not. Even if you can luck out and find a questionable one for less. True story, shortly after I got my AM the mother of a friend of mine asked me if it was a Crossfire. Naturally I was mortified, to the point that for a few weeks after I was still waking up sweating at two in the morning....
Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
Shifter1 said:
Deep Thought said:
The 350Z neednt be more expensive. A quick seach of A/T, gumtree, Ebay, Facebook shows that theres a variety of cars out there for £3K and under.
Yes. Just like the Z4 coupe. It needs not to be more expensive. Specially if you find one without the engine and gearbox. Are you grasping for straws. The 350Z sits higher in price currently. Whether you want it or not. Even if you can luck out and find a questionable one for less. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
This one i'm sure could be bought for budget, probably spend a couple of hundred on paintwork though
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissan-350z-manual-UK-S...
Both have not excessive miles.
If the O/P went up the miles then theres other cars in budget.
CM2020 said:
What? No. Can you read? I asked if there was another car like the Crossfire for cheaper. If there is not, this is a result. Not because I set parameters that only a Crossfire can meet. LOL! I was just asking and genuinely wanting to know. I guess this is illegal? LOL.
Your question was clear. The fact there were a few straight answers shows that. The problem is the childish aversion to cars like the Crossfire. Because it doesn't belong to the cliche PH fleet. I'm sure there are a several other cars which if brought up would get the same reaction. Badge snobbery, hearsay, parroting etc. That holier than thou attitude of if it's not what we like is junk.All fueled by hypocrisy. See how my BMW Z3 example exposing the hypocrisy flew over the radar? Not everyone of course. Not even the majority. But a lot of people. Everyone is a comedian too. This thread is done. If you are serious about the Crossfire and have questions, join a Crossfire forum. I'm sure you will not be chastised for not thinking a FWD car is a legit alternative. Any further discussion here is pointless. Good luck!
baconsarney said:
True story, shortly after I got my AM the mother of a friend of mine asked me if it was a Crossfire. Naturally I was mortified, to the point that for a few weeks after I was still waking up sweating at two in the morning....
Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
I can actually see that. Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
If you think about it, and I will have to duck for cover after saying this, the Crossfire is kind of a poor man's Aston. It's more of a GT than sports car. It aims for a more luxury look than boy racer or full on sport. Coupe, larger engine etc. Think about it? Hard to blame the normal Joe on the street for thinking it is an Aston. Of course in the Crossfire it all cheaper, but I did say poor man's.
Shifter1 said:
No, it doesn't look bad at all. But you know, it doesn't have a German badge (not on the outside at least) and it's not a MX5. So in PH's simplistic mind, it must be junk.
No need for hysterics. The two most viable alternatives suggested were actually japanese - the RX8 and the 350Z.
I'd thrown the Z4 in as its an exceptionally good car in 3.0i form - i dont give a monkeys what the badge on the front of it is.
baconsarney said:
True story, shortly after I got my AM the mother of a friend of mine asked me if it was a Crossfire. Naturally I was mortified, to the point that for a few weeks after I was still waking up sweating at two in the morning....
Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
My wife and I were in Harrogate once and spotted a Mclarren F1, my wife said - that’s a fancy Mazda :-)Interesting observation though, perception is a very individual thing
Shifter1 said:
baconsarney said:
No, it doesn't look bad at all. But you know, it doesn't have a German badge (not on the outside at least) and it's not a MX5. So in PH's simplistic mind, it must be junk.
Certainly don’t think you can dismiss all the objections as just badge snobbery though. I included in my list of favourite designs a Hyundai and a Peugeot, and others have listed Mazdas. Just think a lot of people don’t like the look of the Crossfire which, given it’s a coupe, is important. All a matter of taste though, not something you can really rule as right or wrong.
t built as well ?Shifter1 said:
talksthetorque said:
Mods - can we rephrase the Title please.
I suggest
Is there a better Chrysler Crossfire than the Chrysler Crossfire?
This is what I mean. Useless reply just to steer the pot.I suggest
Is there a better Chrysler Crossfire than the Chrysler Crossfire?
A Z4 coupe is exactly the same type of car for example. More than 4 cylinders, coupe sports car, RWD etc. It just costs a lot more. So implying that what he asked doesn't exist outside of a Crossfire is trolling. He just asked if the Crossfire was the cheapest of them.
Sorry just re read he does say for the same price or cheaper.
Your answer is probably not but Purchase price is not the whole story, factor in servicing costs, MPG and depreciation and the Crossfire may turn out more expensive than some of the other options being put forward
FWIW I wouldn't touch a Crossfire they look dreadful inside and out I would personally increase my budget or broaden the criteria a little
Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 24th February 13:27
Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 24th February 13:29
67Dino said:
Agree the front doesn’t look too bad at all. However, to my eye at least, the side view reveals the design issue, namely that from the rear wheel back it all gets rather squat. The rear view, as has been much observed, is (to put it politely) very much a matter of taste. It’s not actually as bad a I remembered it tbh, so maybe it’s ageing well.
Certainly don’t think you can dismiss all the objections as just badge snobbery though. I included in my list of favourite designs a Hyundai and a Peugeot, and others have listed Mazdas. Just think a lot of people don’t like the look of the Crossfire which, given it’s a coupe, is important. All a matter of taste though, not something you can really rule as right or wrong.
Interestingly , the rear is exactly the part which makes it distinct and different to me. I have no problem with it. I kind of like it. But I don't have Clarkson in my mind.Certainly don’t think you can dismiss all the objections as just badge snobbery though. I included in my list of favourite designs a Hyundai and a Peugeot, and others have listed Mazdas. Just think a lot of people don’t like the look of the Crossfire which, given it’s a coupe, is important. All a matter of taste though, not something you can really rule as right or wrong.
The front looks much more ordinary.
But if you have a problem with the rear, maybe the boot spoiler would help? They came with the SRT6 but I'm sure you can buy them too:
But I think the rear is really what sets it apart from the rest and give it an interesting and different look. Some people also have a problem with the Brera and I also find it nice looking. I guess most don't enjoy different looking things Or I'm just sick of the sea of Audis and BMWs.
As for the badge snobbery, it's all over the place. Even in car shows. Huge bias towards the German stuff. But like I said it's not everybody. But you would be wrong to think just because Japanese cars were suggested there is no badge snobbery. There is huge badge snobbery against U.S. cars. A lot by Japanese car fans too.
But of course. Not all dismissals in this thread is badge snobbery. Some just said they don't like the way they look and went about their business. That's fine really. The childish burns, unfounded criticism etc are the problem. It's fine not to like the look of it.
All together people make up their minds based on what they hear or see and that's it. They never give things another chance and go on parroting the non sense. Even if they never even drove the car.
craigjm said:
It’s an interesting styling exercise but I think there were better coupes around at the time. Even the Hyundai coupe (03 on model) would be preferable to a Crossfire in my opinion
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