BMW M140i vs Golf R. Which is best for Britain and tuning?
Discussion
Deep Thought said:
We went from MPSS to MPS4 on our M140i. Similar gains to the Eagles by the sounds of it. Much much better in the wet and cold than the MPSSs were.
Ah awesome. I know I keep mentioning it but living in Wales does result in the roads being wet 80% of the time. So I'd definitely be looking for a tire that performs really well on wetter surfaces. Dylanaledhall said:
Deep Thought said:
We went from MPSS to MPS4 on our M140i. Similar gains to the Eagles by the sounds of it. Much much better in the wet and cold than the MPSSs were.
Ah awesome. I know I keep mentioning it but living in Wales does result in the roads being wet 80% of the time. So I'd definitely be looking for a tire that performs really well on wetter surfaces. 
)Deep Thought said:
Indeed. Its a consideration here too - i live in Northern Ireland, so a lot of wet, cold spells (and thats just in the summer )
Ah lovely, I've always wanted to visit Northern Ireland )
but yeah to be fair we do have a really nice summer from around mid June to the end of July, after that it's a 50/50 chance it will rain. I understand that's probably the same story with anywhere in the UK but I feel like our weather after July is very unpredictable here ) hence why I need a tyre that could work both in the summer but mainly wet/damp road use too. My current ST is only running around 240/250bhp and that before I put the michelins on was a right handful in the wet, even more so with traction off. Massive improvement now. I just remembered being lined up with this peugeot thing at the lights and it just left me cause I was sat there just spinning
I must have looked a right tool Dylanaledhall said:
Ah lovely, I've always wanted to visit Northern Ireland but yeah to be fair we do have a really nice summer from around mid June to the end of July, after that it's a 50/50 chance it will rain. I understand that's probably the same story with anywhere in the UK but I feel like our weather after July is very unpredictable here ) hence why I need a tyre that could work both in the summer but mainly wet/damp road use too.
My current ST is only running around 240/250bhp and that before I put the michelins on was a right handful in the wet, even more so with traction off. Massive improvement now. I just remembered being lined up with this peugeot thing at the lights and it just left me cause I was sat there just spinning I must have looked a right tool
but yeah to be fair we do have a really nice summer from around mid June to the end of July, after that it's a 50/50 chance it will rain. I understand that's probably the same story with anywhere in the UK but I feel like our weather after July is very unpredictable here ) hence why I need a tyre that could work both in the summer but mainly wet/damp road use too. My current ST is only running around 240/250bhp and that before I put the michelins on was a right handful in the wet, even more so with traction off. Massive improvement now. I just remembered being lined up with this peugeot thing at the lights and it just left me cause I was sat there just spinning
I must have looked a right tool Is it one of the later, 2.0 litre STs? I'd a 2013 2.0 ST2 for a while in 2019. Bought it cheap with a bad water leak in to the boot. Got it sorted easily and it turned out a very nice car in the end.
Deep Thought said:
Is it one of the later, 2.0 litre STs? I'd a 2013 2.0 ST2 for a while in 2019. Bought it cheap with a bad water leak in to the boot. Got it sorted easily and it turned out a very nice car in the end.
Don't know if anyone on here follows him but a YouTuber known as TR Hamza from Birmingham has just picked up an M140i.
His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
Dylanaledhall said:
Don't know if anyone on here follows him but a YouTuber known as TR Hamza from Birmingham has just picked up an M140i.
His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
I think the guy is a bit of a clown . 700hp is pointless with the back end these cars have His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
liner33 said:
I think the guy is a bit of a clown . 700hp is pointless with the back end these cars have
I think he's doing it more as an experiment rather than use it as a full-on daily because he'll use his RS3 for his daily errands. I hope he at least puts larger wheels on the rear of the 140 just to try and aid traction. Dylanaledhall said:
liner33 said:
I think the guy is a bit of a clown . 700hp is pointless with the back end these cars have
I think he's doing it more as an experiment rather than use it as a full-on daily because he'll use his RS3 for his daily errands. I hope he at least puts larger wheels on the rear of the 140 just to try and aid traction. liner33 said:
Dylanaledhall said:
Don't know if anyone on here follows him but a YouTuber known as TR Hamza from Birmingham has just picked up an M140i.
His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
I think the guy is a bit of a clown . 700hp is pointless with the back end these cars have His plan is to take it to 700bhp with a Pure800 turbo. Definitely will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Although I personally wouldn't be looking for that much power, it will be interesting to see how the car behaves at around 700. He says although he's already ordered the turbo he will be addressing the handling etc first. Let me know what you guys think
It also makes a hugely frustrating experience when you have to keep lifting when getting lots of wheel spin or tc just keeps killing power.
Shame we never got the x-drive model that Europe did, however you could import one!
Scobblelotcher said:
These cars desperately struggle with 450 never mind 700.
Having driven a Stage 2 240i with the M Perf diff and decent suspension, they can be tweaked to handle ~450bhp with very few dramas. Much above that yeah, I reckon rear contact patch would be your limiting factor.That said, I do struggle to see the point. A completely unmodified 140i will do 60 in 4.2s and a sub 10 second 0-100 with a decent launch. Once you start throwing big money at upgrades you might as well use an M2 as a base.
I made a list of possible modifications to mine that I never embarked on due to having a child and knowing I'd probably want to upsize but more power was literally the last thing on that list.
Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 7th February 17:24
Scobblelotcher said:
I wouldn’t insult him but 700bhp will clearly be unusable, no point having the power when you can’t go full throttle or the rears just spin. These cars desperately struggle with 450 never mind 700.
It also makes a hugely frustrating experience when you have to keep lifting when getting lots of wheel spin or tc just keeps killing power.
Shame we never got the x-drive model that Europe did, however you could import one!
700bhp x-drive m140 would be a weapon. The only thing that comes close is possibly an RS3 but they're massively more money. It also makes a hugely frustrating experience when you have to keep lifting when getting lots of wheel spin or tc just keeps killing power.
Shame we never got the x-drive model that Europe did, however you could import one!
HM-2 said:
Having driven a Stage 2 240i with the M Perf diff and decent suspension, they can be tweaked to handle ~450bhp with very few dramas. Much above that yeah, I reckon rear contact patch would be your limiting factor.
That said, I do struggle to see the point. A completely unmodified 140i will do 60 in 4.2s and a sub 10 second 0-100 with a decent launch. Once you start throwing big money at upgrades you might as well use an M2 as a base.
I made a list of possible modifications to mine that I never embarked on due to having a child and knowing I'd probably want to upsize but more power was literally the last thing on that list.
Me personally, I'd be more than happy with 450bhp. I think anything over would need to go through a 4 wheel drive system especially in such a small car. That said, I do struggle to see the point. A completely unmodified 140i will do 60 in 4.2s and a sub 10 second 0-100 with a decent launch. Once you start throwing big money at upgrades you might as well use an M2 as a base.
I made a list of possible modifications to mine that I never embarked on due to having a child and knowing I'd probably want to upsize but more power was literally the last thing on that list.
Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 7th February 17:24
HM-2 said:
Scobblelotcher said:
These cars desperately struggle with 450 never mind 700.
Having driven a Stage 2 240i with the M Perf diff and decent suspension, they can be tweaked to handle ~450bhp with very few dramas. Much above that yeah, I reckon rear contact patch would be your limiting factor.That said, I do struggle to see the point. A completely unmodified 140i will do 60 in 4.2s and a sub 10 second 0-100 with a decent launch. Once you start throwing big money at upgrades you might as well use an M2 as a base.
I made a list of possible modifications to mine that I never embarked on due to having a child and knowing I'd probably want to upsize but more power was literally the last thing on that list.
Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 7th February 17:24
I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
Scobblelotcher said:
I’ve driven a M140i with 442bhp that had improved suspension and it was fine on decent flat surfaces but struggled on average British B roads. Maybe the 240i has differences in the suspension/chassis? (Forgive my lack of knowledge of the 240i).
I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
Yeah I genuinely think an x-drive M140i would be better than an RS3 but wouldn't have the outright pace of the Audi. Furthermore, it would probably be less appealing to the "keen drivers" if there was a lack of Rear wheel driveI’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
Scobblelotcher said:
I’ve driven a M140i with 442bhp that had improved suspension and it was fine on decent flat surfaces but struggled on average British B roads. Maybe the 240i has differences in the suspension/chassis? (Forgive my lack of knowledge of the 240i).
I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
The 1 and 2 are basically identical from the perspective of suspension. This one had the Birds suspension kit on 18" wheels and the M Perf diff rather than the Quaife Birds sells and it was pretty perfect for UK roads. I know lots of people have fitted stuff like KW V2s which are amazing but need a great deal of tweaking and tuning to balance ride with handling on our grotty roads. Something like Street Comforts would probably be ace...I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
HM-2 said:
Scobblelotcher said:
I’ve driven a M140i with 442bhp that had improved suspension and it was fine on decent flat surfaces but struggled on average British B roads. Maybe the 240i has differences in the suspension/chassis? (Forgive my lack of knowledge of the 240i).
I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
The 1 and 2 are basically identical from the perspective of suspension. This one had the Birds suspension kit on 18" wheels and the M Perf diff rather than the Quaife Birds sells and it was pretty perfect for UK roads. I know lots of people have fitted stuff like KW V2s which are amazing but need a great deal of tweaking and tuning to balance ride with handling on our grotty roads. Something like Street Comforts would probably be ace...I’d still love an x-drive M140i with some mods to make use of how much more that engine can take. For me this would be perfect, just remove all of the M badges like I did with my previous two.
HM-2 said:
The 1 and 2 are basically identical from the perspective of suspension. This one had the Birds suspension kit on 18" wheels and the M Perf diff rather than the Quaife Birds sells and it was pretty perfect for UK roads. I know lots of people have fitted stuff like KW V2s which are amazing but need a great deal of tweaking and tuning to balance ride with handling on our grotty roads. Something like Street Comforts would probably be ace...
I think I makes a good case for the Golf R which seems to be good straight out of the box Dylanaledhall said:
HM-2 said:
The 1 and 2 are basically identical from the perspective of suspension. This one had the Birds suspension kit on 18" wheels and the M Perf diff rather than the Quaife Birds sells and it was pretty perfect for UK roads. I know lots of people have fitted stuff like KW V2s which are amazing but need a great deal of tweaking and tuning to balance ride with handling on our grotty roads. Something like Street Comforts would probably be ace...
I think I makes a good case for the Golf R which seems to be good straight out of the box Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff