Secondhand car price crash?

Secondhand car price crash?

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PlywoodPascal

4,179 posts

21 months

Friday 22nd March
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1000 pages of crash

confused_buyer

6,619 posts

181 months

Friday 22nd March
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RayDonovan said:
Thing is in car sales, you never quite know what will sell quickly or slowly.

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Very true. You can have a car in which you have five people fighting over within an hour of advertising it so you sell it and think "goodness I could have sold ten of those in a week" so you get another one in identical colour, spec and price and the 'phone doesn't ring once.

RayDonovan

4,370 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd March
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confused_buyer said:
RayDonovan said:
In the market for a Tesla Model Y and checked some sale prices (dealer) v CAP HPI and the majority are asking under the CAP price.

Most in the £34k/£35k price range.
CAP is hopelessly off on prices of under 3/4 year old EVs in my opinion.

They rarely fetch anything like the "book" prices and across a range of vehicles can be purchased at retail at or under the CAP Clean price.
Good to know. Cheers

Hippea

1,802 posts

69 months

Friday 22nd March
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1000 pages

Can someone summarise the view of the current market please

Strocky

2,642 posts

113 months

Friday 22nd March
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confused_buyer said:
Very true. You can have a car in which you have five people fighting over within an hour of advertising it so you sell it and think "goodness I could have sold ten of those in a week" so you get another one in identical colour, spec and price and the 'phone doesn't ring once.
Unless you're getting the same car in quickly the other 4 prospects have bought elsewhere I would have thought?

mk1coopers

1,206 posts

152 months

Friday 22nd March
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"Can someone summarise the view of the current market please"

Some cars sell quickly, some don't, used and new prices are higher due to inflation / people not noticing prices going up as they were only interested in the monthly payments, depreciation seems to be returning, EV's are a hard sell once second hand.


griffter

3,984 posts

255 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Hippea said:
1000 pages

Can someone summarise the view of the current market please
If you bought a car on Autotrader and sold it on WBAC, 4 years ago you’d have made money. Today you will not.

ChrisH72

2,173 posts

52 months

Saturday 23rd March
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There hasn't been a crash.

For mainstream cars, both ICE and EV, normal depreciation has returned which you'd expect now that supply of new cars is back to normal.

ICE performance cars at sensible money are holding firm on price. Many have been or are being discontinued and remain very desirable.

In general used car prices are much higher than they were before the madness.

ChocolateFrog

25,348 posts

173 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Seems like stock is piling up at some places.

Hyubdai is one where I see 100's of cars in back lots (for want of an English equivalent).

Theoldguard

830 posts

58 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Current market:

If your in no rush to buy then deals on new & pre reg are becoming more wide spread and likely to continue as markets normalise, deep discounting is returning to offset the price hikes of the past few years, this is more evident with new EVs where targets need to be met at a time where cheaper EVs are starting to enter the market.

Used is more mixed, insurance premiums and higher borrowing costs impact certain models / price brackets more than others, depreciation of 50% over 3 years has returned to many models but against often much higher new retail prices, in nominal terms prices of used are higher but in real terms when you take inflation & wage growth prices on many different makes and models it feels more realistic. AT report that used car prices are circa 15% higher than before the pandemic.

In general it does feel like more normal conditions now where a newly released model impacts the price of the older model and stock inventory more healthy which in turn should open up pricing a bit more..

e-honda

8,897 posts

146 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Ons figures have current used prices at 111% of 2015 levels.
If you adjust for the over 30% inflation we have had since then, used cars should be about the cheapest they have ever been.
It doesn't feel this way because the cheapest cars are holding up better as well as many more desirable cars.
I think It's the middle of the market that no one pays any attention to where things have got a lot cheaper.

AmitG

3,298 posts

160 months

Saturday 23rd March
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taznuv said:
My local Citroen dealer let me test drive a basic used C3 1.2 yesterday, same basically as a C3 You at 14k. Indicated strongly there was no room for any discount at all which I was a bit surprised at.
I noticed that the Stellantis brands (Citroen, Peugeot, DS, Vauxhall) have started playing hardball on discounts. The price is the price, no discounts on new or used. Stellantis is moving to the agency model in the UK (where dealers have no authority to set prices) so I guess this is the stepping stone.

The Citroen dealer I spoke to said that the only way to get a meaningful discount on a new car is to order off the Citroen website and take the internet discount. They also said that many dealers are not altogether happy about the agency model. I heard that at least one big Citroen dealer has closed up rather than embrace the model.

Citroen and Vauxhall used to discount their cars to borderline comic levels. I can remember being offered 33% off a new Citroen DS5 - and that was BEFORE starting negotiations hehe

macron

9,876 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd March
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There are some VX models just the polar opposite. 25% off Astra plug in estates.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024030170...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023100627...

For example.


CSLM3CSL

321 posts

143 months

Saturday 23rd March
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e-honda said:
Ons figures have current used prices at 111% of 2015 levels.
If you adjust for the over 30% inflation we have had since then, used cars should be about the cheapest they have ever been.
It doesn't feel this way because the cheapest cars are holding up better as well as many more desirable cars.
I think It's the middle of the market that no one pays any attention to where things have got a lot cheaper.
I think that 111% figure is way off. I'm seeing 300% or more in some cases.

e-honda

8,897 posts

146 months

Sunday 24th March
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CSLM3CSL said:
I think that 111% figure is way off. I'm seeing 300% or more in some cases.
It's the ons stats

There will obviously be outliers.
But I'm not sure about 300%
What kind of examples?

Jiebo

908 posts

96 months

Sunday 24th March
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CSLM3CSL said:
I think that 111% figure is way off. I'm seeing 300% or more in some cases.
Agree in the below 8k market. Cars that would have been £2k sheds pre pandemic are going for £6k today.

ACCYSTAN

759 posts

121 months

Sunday 24th March
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Based on my travels yesterday, most dealerships are over flowing with part exchanged clogging up yards and compounds,
It has gone back to pre Covid days
Contract manager at Renault said they are offering under cap clean on part exs unless it’s something they can retail immediately as they simply don’t need old or diesel stock.

Despite the buoyancy in most dealerships and Indis, the Vauxhall dealership was empty which was weird for a Saturday midday.
It’s normally one of the busier sites and difficult to park up the van.



ChrisH72

2,173 posts

52 months

Sunday 24th March
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It does feel like more than 11% increase.

I remember buying 2 cars in 2015.

6 year old Honda Civic with 30k miles for £7k

10 year old MR2 roadster, 50k miles for £2.5k

Looking at similar today you can get a 6 year old Civic for £10k which surprised me. Obviously they didn't make the MR2 10 years ago but a similar MX5 is about £9k.

ACCYSTAN

759 posts

121 months

Sunday 24th March
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AmitG said:
I noticed that the Stellantis brands (Citroen, Peugeot, DS, Vauxhall) have started playing hardball on discounts. The price is the price, no discounts on new or used. Stellantis is moving to the agency model in the UK (where dealers have no authority to set prices) so I guess this is the stepping stone.

The Citroen dealer I spoke to said that the only way to get a meaningful discount on a new car is to order off the Citroen website and take the internet discount. They also said that many dealers are not altogether happy about the agency model. I heard that at least one big Citroen dealer has closed up rather than embrace the model.

Citroen and Vauxhall used to discount their cars to borderline comic levels. I can remember being offered 33% off a new Citroen DS5 - and that was BEFORE starting negotiations hehe
This will not end well

They will lose market share and have to push more volume towards cheap lease deals. I fully expect europcar and enterprise will be a wash with stellantis products in the next 12 months if they go down the agency route.

They effectively have 4 brands in the same middle market (Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall) with the likes of Alfa and DS as middle market sports brands (I’m not really sure what DS is).

I can see an argument for Mercedes going the agency model (although it won’t be easy for them if rivals compete heavily on price), but I can’t see how this would work in the mid market, there is too much competition chasing the same buyers.



Scrump

22,014 posts

158 months

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