Replacement for a Z4
Discussion
Thanks C70R TRD Lee.
My mate who lives just down the road (I am near Twickenham Stadium) has an auto 03 plate 3.0i. I do really like the look of his, and it is pretty much comparable in a straight line with my coupe. But he does have those problems like trying to relocate the roof motor is proving an absolute b
h for example. In terms of the roof, I used to use 303 Sealant on my old VX220 and it had quite spectacular results when done properly. He hasnt made any performance mods to it like suspension etc. and runs on 18s so be interesting to see what yours comes back with C70R
But yes, for the money, not much comes near it. For 5k you can get a straight 6 convertible that looks wise has aged really well and is one of the more reliable BMWs out there. A lot to be liked about it.
My mate who lives just down the road (I am near Twickenham Stadium) has an auto 03 plate 3.0i. I do really like the look of his, and it is pretty much comparable in a straight line with my coupe. But he does have those problems like trying to relocate the roof motor is proving an absolute b
h for example. In terms of the roof, I used to use 303 Sealant on my old VX220 and it had quite spectacular results when done properly. He hasnt made any performance mods to it like suspension etc. and runs on 18s so be interesting to see what yours comes back with C70RBut yes, for the money, not much comes near it. For 5k you can get a straight 6 convertible that looks wise has aged really well and is one of the more reliable BMWs out there. A lot to be liked about it.
Edited by coldel on Tuesday 28th March 11:08
coldel said:
Thanks C70R TRD Lee.
My mate who lives just down the road (I am near Twickenham Stadium) has an auto 03 plate 3.0i. I do really like the look of his, and it is pretty much comparable in a straight line with my coupe. But he does have those problems like trying to relocate the roof motor is proving an absolute bh for example. In terms of the roof, I used to use 303 Sealant on my old VX220 and it had quite spectacular results when done properly. He hasnt made any performance mods to it like suspension etc. and runs on 18s so be interesting to see what yours comes back with C70R
But yes, for the money, not much comes near it. For 5k you can get a straight 6 convertible that looks wise has aged really well and is one of the more reliable BMWs out there. A lot to be liked about it.
Unless you want an auto, I'd make sure you drive a manual before you decide. They are very different cars. The autobox is very slow and slushy (it's basically the same box they fitted in all BMWs with that engine), and being only 5spd (even with a slightly shorter diff) it really blunts the performance, and doesn't make for a car that encourages you to drive it properly. On the other hand, my auto made for an excellent and relaxed London car.My mate who lives just down the road (I am near Twickenham Stadium) has an auto 03 plate 3.0i. I do really like the look of his, and it is pretty much comparable in a straight line with my coupe. But he does have those problems like trying to relocate the roof motor is proving an absolute b
h for example. In terms of the roof, I used to use 303 Sealant on my old VX220 and it had quite spectacular results when done properly. He hasnt made any performance mods to it like suspension etc. and runs on 18s so be interesting to see what yours comes back with C70RBut yes, for the money, not much comes near it. For 5k you can get a straight 6 convertible that looks wise has aged really well and is one of the more reliable BMWs out there. A lot to be liked about it.
Edited by coldel on Tuesday 28th March 11:08
17s went on mine last night, and it's transformative. I waffled more in my Readers' Cars thread.
Yeah my z4 coupe was an auto and I'd recommend avoiding it personally. It doesn't really suit the car for me, too slow witted, and less reliable too. In fact that was what spelled the end for mine when it started acting up.
Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
TameRacingDriver said:
Yeah my z4 coupe was an auto and I'd recommend avoiding it personally. It doesn't really suit the car for me, too slow witted, and less reliable too. In fact that was what spelled the end for mine when it started acting up.
Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
I personally wasn't all that impressive with the auto in the E90 330i either, and for me the N52 engine deserves a 3 pedal manual. Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
I've joined C70R's thread now, because I'd missed it originally.
TameRacingDriver said:
Yeah my z4 coupe was an auto and I'd recommend avoiding it personally. It doesn't really suit the car for me, too slow witted, and less reliable too. In fact that was what spelled the end for mine when it started acting up.
Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
I've actually never tried the later 6spd auto, as fitted to the facelifts/coupes. The paddles are obviously awful, but I wonder whether a slightly more modern box with more ratios to shuffle might remove some of the sluggishness I experienced.Interesting about the 17s, I'll pop over to your thread for a gander C70R
coldel said:
I am very open to any car really, as long as its not just a run of the mill millions on the road car. Something that has a sense of occasion that you walk out to and get a tingle down your spine climbing into it, even if its to drive to the shops and back as much as going on a road trip.
My previous cars in order over the last ten years 350z, VX220 NA, R33 GTST, Celica GT4 ST205, VX220 Turbo, Z4 3.0si Coupe.
So generally coupe'ish type cars.
I think we have similar car taste. I have a VX220 and have run Japanese cars such as 200SX and MR2 in the past. Two weeks back I bought a 2.7 Cayman 987.1 (manual). I hadn't ever driven one but am pleased with how it drives.My previous cars in order over the last ten years 350z, VX220 NA, R33 GTST, Celica GT4 ST205, VX220 Turbo, Z4 3.0si Coupe.
So generally coupe'ish type cars.
Alternative suggestion: Mini R53 John Cooper Works or GP (GP is probably too expensive).
Shedding said:
I think we have similar car taste. I have a VX220 and have run Japanese cars such as 200SX and MR2 in the past. Two weeks back I bought a 2.7 Cayman 987.1 (manual). I hadn't ever driven one but am pleased with how it drives.
Alternative suggestion: Mini R53 John Cooper Works or GP (GP is probably too expensive).
Funny enough I have looked at the Mini JCW although I am a bit oblivious to the R numbered engines, I heard somewhere some are less reliable than others, but I am not sure. In JCW form they do look pretty tasty.Alternative suggestion: Mini R53 John Cooper Works or GP (GP is probably too expensive).
Yes the 2.7 is definitely an option in terms of getting something in better condition for the same price as a worse condition S boxster. I dont think I drive in a way that requires lots of power, nor will it go near a track or the like.
Shedding said:
I think we have similar car taste. I have a VX220 and have run Japanese cars such as 200SX and MR2 in the past. Two weeks back I bought a 2.7 Cayman 987.1 (manual). I hadn't ever driven one but am pleased with how it drives.
Alternative suggestion: Mini R53 John Cooper Works or GP (GP is probably too expensive).
I had a modified r53 mini and while it was a hoot and had plenty of character for the sort of car it was, I'm not quite convinced they're at the same level as the likes of a Porsche or Z4 coupe personally. Alternative suggestion: Mini R53 John Cooper Works or GP (GP is probably too expensive).
I think one has to be careful of setting one's own "design brief" for what you believe the Z4C was, or should have been. The facts are quite simply that this is likely not at all what BMW had in mind, irrespective of how much you may wish it was so.
The following excerpts are from the official BMW UK press release at the launch of the 3.0si and MCoupe in 2006:
“The new BMW Z4 Coupé is best described as a Pocket GT,” said Adrian van Hooydonk, Head of BMW Brand Design. “The Z4 Coupé should be considered as a fully fledged GT car that has been shrink-wrapped around two people. It represents the smallest possible package that can accommodate the occupants and enough luggage for a long journey while still retaining the strong, muscular stance of the cutting-edge Z4 Roadster.”
“In common with the outgoing Z3, when designing the new Z4 family, we were designing a Roadster for those who appreciate open-topped motoring and the Coupé for customers who want a compact long-distance GT car,” he continued.
"A key aim for the Z4 engineers was to develop a roadster with the stiffest body structure of any open-topped car. Successfully achieved, the Coupé’s foundations were immediately in place and the addition of a fixed roof increased the structural rigidity still further to 32,000Nm/degree. The Z4 Coupé features one of the stiffest body structures of any production car."
o High-performance GT with hatch-style boot and ample space for weekend luggage.
o Precise and agile handling thanks to a body torsional rigidity of 32,000Nm/degree.
o 3.0-litre engine in the Z4 3.0si Coupé is the lightest volume-production six-cylinder engine in the world, manufactured from magnesium-alloy.
o Z4 M Coupé features the 3.2-litre multi-award winning engine and BMW M’s Variable M differential.
o Braking system and suspension components from the M3 CSL are standard in the Z4 M Coupé.
Edited to correct punctuation.
The following excerpts are from the official BMW UK press release at the launch of the 3.0si and MCoupe in 2006:
“The new BMW Z4 Coupé is best described as a Pocket GT,” said Adrian van Hooydonk, Head of BMW Brand Design. “The Z4 Coupé should be considered as a fully fledged GT car that has been shrink-wrapped around two people. It represents the smallest possible package that can accommodate the occupants and enough luggage for a long journey while still retaining the strong, muscular stance of the cutting-edge Z4 Roadster.”
“In common with the outgoing Z3, when designing the new Z4 family, we were designing a Roadster for those who appreciate open-topped motoring and the Coupé for customers who want a compact long-distance GT car,” he continued.
"A key aim for the Z4 engineers was to develop a roadster with the stiffest body structure of any open-topped car. Successfully achieved, the Coupé’s foundations were immediately in place and the addition of a fixed roof increased the structural rigidity still further to 32,000Nm/degree. The Z4 Coupé features one of the stiffest body structures of any production car."
o High-performance GT with hatch-style boot and ample space for weekend luggage.
o Precise and agile handling thanks to a body torsional rigidity of 32,000Nm/degree.
o 3.0-litre engine in the Z4 3.0si Coupé is the lightest volume-production six-cylinder engine in the world, manufactured from magnesium-alloy.
o Z4 M Coupé features the 3.2-litre multi-award winning engine and BMW M’s Variable M differential.
o Braking system and suspension components from the M3 CSL are standard in the Z4 M Coupé.
Edited to correct punctuation.
Edited by DaveZed on Tuesday 28th March 15:09
coldel said:
Funny enough I have looked at the Mini JCW although I am a bit oblivious to the R numbered engines, I heard somewhere some are less reliable than others, but I am not sure. In JCW form they do look pretty tasty.
Yes the 2.7 is definitely an option in terms of getting something in better condition for the same price as a worse condition S boxster. I dont think I drive in a way that requires lots of power, nor will it go near a track or the like.
There's not a great deal of difference in price for the non-S versus S models. The 2.7 does seem a safer purchasein terms of bore-score. Similar to you, I like a bit of power but I'm not driving foot to the floor everywhere and the 2.7 isn't slow. Yes the 2.7 is definitely an option in terms of getting something in better condition for the same price as a worse condition S boxster. I dont think I drive in a way that requires lots of power, nor will it go near a track or the like.
The 2nd gen Mini (R56) are the ones with dodgy engines to be avoided.
Thanks Shedding, will bear that in mind.
And good post Dave, yes thats what I expect from my Z4C and thats what I get. Hence why I didn't want to have a full on debate about it here whilst trying to decide what to get next.
I think I am currently sat something like this in this order
Boxster (never thought I would be looking at one but there you go!)
Renaultsport Megane 250 Cup
Z4R
Outsiders are something like a Mini JCW and SLK350
And good post Dave, yes thats what I expect from my Z4C and thats what I get. Hence why I didn't want to have a full on debate about it here whilst trying to decide what to get next.
I think I am currently sat something like this in this order
Boxster (never thought I would be looking at one but there you go!)
Renaultsport Megane 250 Cup
Z4R
Outsiders are something like a Mini JCW and SLK350
TameRacingDriver said:
So there we have it. The z4 coupe is a "Pocket GT".
I reckon that's a pretty good description of it to be fair, as that's how I always saw it rather than an out and out sports car.
No no. Don't you understand? I reckon that's a pretty good description of it to be fair, as that's how I always saw it rather than an out and out sports car.
They tried to make a sports car, and they failed! Such a missed opportunity.
C70R said:
TameRacingDriver said:
So there we have it. The z4 coupe is a "Pocket GT".
I reckon that's a pretty good description of it to be fair, as that's how I always saw it rather than an out and out sports car.
No no. Don't you understand? I reckon that's a pretty good description of it to be fair, as that's how I always saw it rather than an out and out sports car.
They tried to make a sports car, and they failed! Such a missed opportunity.
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