EVs... no one wants them!
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tupak798 said:
Dave200 said:
loudlashadjuster said:
T_S_M said:
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well? https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
confused_buyer said:
Also, personally, I'd be bloody annoyed at having to pay a premium road tax amount because some lunatic in Vauxhall marketing has set a fantasy price no one will ever pay.
I think the proposal is to introduce the premium road tax by reference to date of registration and hence cars registered before April 2025 will never have to pay it. Therefore, from a buyer's point of view you'll be able to go in with your eyes open and avoid any cars that are liable for the high rate of road tax - and you're right, I doubt Vauxhall will be shifting many of those Astras if people are going to have to pay the expensive car supplement for the privilege!greenarrow said:
Does anyone know if the Peugeot e-208 is any good? Keep seeing them about and thinking "That's a fairly attractive looking normal size hatchback that would fit into my life well as a run-around". If we could have more EVs which were that size and appearance, I think the take up amongst the masses would increase, especially as the range issues improve with each generation. Spoken by someone who isn't particularly pro or anti EV, but who doesn't like large SUV type vehicles and is wary about jumping too soon, due to the pace of technological change.
Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.
lidds said:
Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.
She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.
But why didn't you just get an EV and then hire something? That's what people will point out here as you aren't towing 90% of the time. She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.
The Peugeot are nice little cars. The EVs are good as well if you are doing city driving.
lidds said:
Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.
She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.
My BMW V8 flashed up the red cog of death 6 months after i bought it. Spent 5 weeks in the dealership while a new ZF gearbox was delivered from Germany and fitted under warranty. Didn't dare ask how much it cost (BMW)!She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.
What's your point by the way?
Chasing Potatoes said:
monkfish1 said:
In fairness, they have in the past.
Anyone regularly towing will not be best served by an EV. Once a year to the tip? Maybe worth it depending on the rest of your needs.People clearly have said if you only do X journey every so often, then EV will be fine and just to hire what you need.
Which I fully understand that but it's such a faff and an additional cost.
This is why I'm looking at an estate car rather than say a Golf size car. Yes I don't need it 90% of the time but that 10% justifies it. Just load up on that day, away we go for the weekend at the drop of a hat.
Of course it's each to their own need.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21
tupak798 said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
are you going to use all your usernames to post that? Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21
like every major transition, it was never going to be smooth. transition it will though, so hold your esso tiger teddy tight cos you aren't going to like it.
tupak798 said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Don't you have anything better to do? Your life must be incredibly sad..Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21
Ankh87 said:
How regular is regular though? Once a month?
People clearly have said if you only do X journey every so often, then EV will be fine and just to hire what you need.
Which I fully understand that but it's such a faff and an additional cost.
This is why I'm looking at an estate car rather than say a Golf size car. Yes I don't need it 90% of the time but that 10% justifies it. Just load up on that day, away we go for the weekend at the drop of a hat.
Of course it's each to their own need.
Because it is pretty much impossible to hire a car with a towbarPeople clearly have said if you only do X journey every so often, then EV will be fine and just to hire what you need.
Which I fully understand that but it's such a faff and an additional cost.
This is why I'm looking at an estate car rather than say a Golf size car. Yes I don't need it 90% of the time but that 10% justifies it. Just load up on that day, away we go for the weekend at the drop of a hat.
Of course it's each to their own need.
Insurance may not cover what you are towing
You then have the whole damage issue
If you are going away for weekends then it’s almost impossible to collect unless you don’t work
You won’t have roof bars to put a roof box on
You won’t have a number plate to fit to the caravan for the hired vehicle
Then if you have an ev
Our box is 1100kg so too much for a Tesla (polestar are much better though)
The range is nowhere near enough, I would want a towing range of 300 miles - why, well as an example we are off to brands hatch soon, 120 miles each way, we will leave at 6pm, get there around 8.30 and when we are there we have nowhere to charge, we are there to see the racing not drive around looking for electrons then I have no intention of trying to find a charge on a Sunday evening when I have to get back, empty everything and put it back in storage.
A Tesla is not big enough
There is no way I will buy one of those horrible looking things.
However if there was a small ev with a range of 100 miles that could be leased for £100 a month and not be built in china then I would consider it.
tupak798 said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
I think you make a good point, let’s up the tax subsidies and add it to price of petrol ones. Oh wait, the ZEV mandate is already going to do that for us. Excellent newsSuperb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21
D4rez said:
tupak798 said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...
Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
I think you make a good point, let’s up the tax subsidies and add it to price of petrol ones. Oh wait, the ZEV mandate is already going to do that for us. Excellent newsSuperb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)
Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…
Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21
tupak798 said:
Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…
sod all will happen until the election, and after that…….. no chance. indeed 2030 might reappear. 2030 was only scrapped to appease…. you know…. you. tamore said:
tupak798 said:
Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…
2030 was only scrapped to appease…. you know…. you. Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…
tupak798 said:
For ‘we’ are many…
Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…
where as angry gammons can do…. everything?Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…
majority not in favour of net zero? that's a big claim and i'd love to see data to back that up.
tupak798 said:
Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…
Changing the ZEV Mandate law now would in all liklihood result in the UK government being sued to the tune of billions by various manufacturers around the world who have set their plans in place for the UK market based upon the planned trajectory. Longer term, we have to wean our population off fossil fuels for the good of the economy, so no government in their right mind would back away from it. Labour and Lib Dems are both proposing quicker measures than the Conservatives too. It's not going anywhere.
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