EVs... no one wants them!

[NDA]

trumpton7291 said:

. But that’s not currently the reality despite the continual protestations of the brainwashed cultist EV loons.

Can you show us on the map where the nasty EV overtook you?

[740EVTORQUES]

ben5575 said:

I don’t think there are many, if any ev drivers on here that have or would say different to that.

We have an i3 that is amazing and imho far better than any ice for the grind. I also bought a mx5 yesterday because I love driving and there isn’t currently an ev that fills that particular use case.

Matt Farrah disagrees…

https://apple.news/A9ZLHhJGSS7Of-rytAOh1NA


‘The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N Is by Far the Best Sports EV I've Ever Driven
It's so good that it could save the future of race tracks in the United States, if it comes to that….


There are so many ways that Hyundai could have gotten this wrong, and only one way it could go right. They’ve hit a hole-in-one on a par four. Because the lie is so convincing, after a few seconds, I didn’t care that it wasn’t real. The lie gave me what I needed in order to have fun in a car on a racetrack or a canyon road: engagement. Its mimicry of a gasoline-powered rally machine is literally as good as to be the real thing. Only if it was the real thing, for this kinda scratch you’d never be going as quickly.
‘

[BlackTank]

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

[nickfrog]

I don't see why they wouldn't be exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. Low COG and low PMOI suggests they have merits on that front. Also, manufacturers haven't even really started exploiting those traits so perhaps in time there will be EVs focused on fun

I totally appreciate they still won't have an engine nor produce the traditional car noises and if someone can't leave with that, that's totally fair enough.

Personally if the overall experience works I won't mind.

Look at leisure go karts. The electric ones are more fun than the ICE IME. Far more responsive and sideways everywhere if you want to although I suppose it's also down to the transmission of the old ones.

[NDA]

I don't think any 4 door family blob, ICE or EV, is particularly exciting to drive to be honest. The EV is definitely the easiest, cheapest and fastest in that comparison - but EV's are not really sports cars, in the same way a Range Rover Sport is not.

[ben5575]

740EVTORQUES said:

Matt Farrah disagrees…

https://apple.news/A9ZLHhJGSS7Of-rytAOh1NA


‘The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N Is by Far the Best Sports EV I've Ever Driven
It's so good that it could save the future of race tracks in the United States, if it comes to that….


There are so many ways that Hyundai could have gotten this wrong, and only one way it could go right. They’ve hit a hole-in-one on a par four. Because the lie is so convincing, after a few seconds, I didn’t care that it wasn’t real. The lie gave me what I needed in order to have fun in a car on a racetrack or a canyon road: engagement. Its mimicry of a gasoline-powered rally machine is literally as good as to be the real thing. Only if it was the real thing, for this kinda scratch you’d never be going as quickly.?‘

I have no doubt it's a great car and great fun to drive - I'd love one, it's my perfect daily - I actually looked at one (before I saw the price!)

But it's not a small two seater open top sports car, which is my particular need at the moment.

[Chasing Potatoes]

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

I wish that people would stop thinking that only by driving an ICE could you possibly be a driving enthusiast. They’re different, and some people prefer that point of difference.

You’re not better than someone because of your car.

[740EVTORQUES]

I’m waiting to try an Ionic N to see if I should change my EV6 GT for one, they sound incredible.

I do rather like the alternative form of involvement that the pure EV gives though, I agree in trying to ape a traditional powertrain with all its inherent flaws, that seems to me to be backwards looking.

I prefer the looks of the EV6 as well

I turned off the synthetic engine noise (which is a bit V8 like) in my car after about 5 minutes

Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Friday 19th April 08:57

[soupdragon1]

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

Ever seen a sex enthusiast? Some people have questionable ideas on what good sex is

Ever seen a golf enthusiast? Keep hitting their balls into the water and into the trees etc, yet they go back every week?

Ever seen a train spotting enthusiast? I mean, each to their own

If someone on here claims to be a driving enthusiast, maybe I should ask them why they are driving a passenger car? If its all about the driving, why are you driving a car designed to take passengers and by default, a compromised vehicle? Not much of an driving enthusiast IMO. Driving enthusiasts generally take single seater vehicles around a race track.

Tongue in cheek of course, but, the point is pretty obvious. You could get a CHEP pallet, couple of axles, 4 pram wheels, a piece of rope for steering and put yourself at the top of a hill and call yourself a driving enthusiast. Each to their own. I doubt Lewis Hamilton would get all warm and fuzzy behind the wheel of a 4 seater BMW M3 but, like I say, each to their own. If you find enjoyment going from A to B in a vehicle, then you can call yourself a driving enthusiast IMO. There is no line in the sand to define what that is.

[heebeegeetee]

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

"the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity" Can you actually show me anyone here who is like that? I'm interested in the EV scene (simply because I am a motoring enthusiast) but I have never come across anyone like how you describe, and certainly not here on Pistonheads.

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A few weeks back I was driving a car with two mates onboard. All 3 of us are lifelong car/motoring enthusiasts, my two pals being far more hardcore than me. One has had a long life in rallying, he has built some lovely cars over the years, his family were out on the Rallynuts stages last weekend, his two sons competing on the event. The other guy has done all sorts of things including motorcycling to China and across Russia to Vladivostock, has been involved in karting and all manner of things, is currently building a car for a Historic Monte.

The three of us were in the car because we were returning from an all-nighter marshalling on the Lands End Trial. These two guys both currently own hybrids, amongst many other cars, and have had other EVs prior. The three of us discussed EVs in length, the other two going into the nitty gritty of their BMW i3s they currently own. And yes, how they drove was very much discussed.

I think the way you are talking BlackTank, is of the way people do when they see their petrol head credentials as some kind of badge of honour. This kind of talk/behaviour leads people to buy all kinds of unsuitable and impractical cars (the kind that are usually sold with few miles on the clock, because they're not a great drive) , again like they're some kind of badge of honour of hardcore-petrolheadship-one-upmanship.

What you call 'driving enthusiasts' is what I often question - I think many 'driving enthusiasts' are completely full of bullst, I think the whole ethos and thinking around a particular genre of enthusiasts car is indeed just bullst.

REAL enthusiasts don't speak as you do, in my very own honest and personal opinion. Certainly not the real enthusiasts I've come across in my lifetime anyway.

And I'd still be interested to see who it is that you think "have made a type of propulsion their identity."

[otolith]

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity

Are there any of those? I certainly see people whose objection to EV is that they have made ICE part of their identity and viscerally resist change, I'm not really seeing it from the other side.

[Harry H]

otolith said:

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity

Are there any of those? I certainly see people whose objection to EV is that they have made ICE part of their identity and viscerally resist change, I'm not really seeing it from the other side.

Type in VW tattoo into google. There are some strange people out there.

[cj2013]

Harry H said:

Type in VW tattoo into google. There are some strange people out there.

Having worked in a VW dealer at one point, and spoken to a lot of those VW types, I typically find that people who are obsessed with VWs have not actually owned any other marque at any point.

So, rather than preference, it is closer in definition to a cult

[clockworks]

I currently drive a plug-in hybrid XC40. Some say plug-ins are the worst of both worlds, others think they are the dog's danglie's. For me, it's a no-risk way of trying electric motoring. I'm convinced, and full electric is on the cards for me next.

As for "driving pleasure", I've been there, done that. I used to love thrashing around on motorbikes. Same with cars - just driving for the sake of it in the evenings when the roads cleared. I even got pleasure from driving my first "car" - a Reliant Robin 750.

I did the hot hatch thing, variety of Fords (XR2s, 3s and a 4i), a Westfield and a Mini, before getting a company car.
Having to do 40k miles a year for work in succession of repmobiles tucked all the pleasure out of driving.

I tried to rekindle the passion with a 964 911, 987 Boxster S, Z4, couple of MX5s, Cooper S, etc., but either I was too old, or there's just too much traffic and too many cameras around these days.

I'm content to mostly just potter around, with the occasional bit of rapid overtaking.
An EV will suit me just fine.

[Oilchange]

NDA said:

Can you show us on the map where the nasty EV overtook you?

Can we move away from this ‘my ego has been hurt by being overtaken’ nonsense please.
I’m overtaken often in my Esprit, its fine, I would rather be overtaken than have some muppet sitting on my bumper expecting me to speed up for him/her, especially if I’m giving them room by pulling in a bit.
Too many egos on the road nowadays…

[NDA]

Oilchange said:

NDA said:

Can you show us on the map where the nasty EV overtook you?

Can we move away from this ‘my ego has been hurt by being overtaken’ nonsense please.
I’m overtaken often in my Esprit, its fine, I would rather be overtaken than have some muppet sitting on my bumper expecting me to speed up for him/her, especially if I’m giving them room by pulling in a bit.
Too many egos on the road nowadays…

I was responding to the "the brainwashed cultist EV loons" comment - which I assume you think is an acceptable view?

[FiF]

NDA said:

Oilchange said:

NDA said:

Can you show us on the map where the nasty EV overtook you?

Can we move away from this ‘my ego has been hurt by being overtaken’ nonsense please.
I’m overtaken often in my Esprit, its fine, I would rather be overtaken than have some muppet sitting on my bumper expecting me to speed up for him/her, especially if I’m giving them room by pulling in a bit.
Too many egos on the road nowadays…

I was responding to the "the brainwashed cultist EV loons" comment - which I assume you think is an acceptable view?

Frankly neither of the comments are appropriate content, neither the cultist loon twaddle nor the where were you touched single line attempt at being a smart arse.

Others may think differently.

HTH

[romft123]

monkfish1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

monkfish1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

trumpton7291 said:

I don’t think most prefer ICE because we’re some stuck in the past unwoke Dinosaurs. Most people prefer ICE because currently it’s a far better technology than EVs in terms of day to day useability and who would ever want to take a backward step? Forcing people into inferior products is never going to end well. Let the market decide, if EVs are superior people will buy them. But that’s not currently the reality despite the continual protestations of the brainwashed cultist EV loons.

Well this ‘cultist EV loon’ has a flat 6, a V6, a 2.5l 305bhp track car, and an EV.

I’ve got comfortably in excess of £250k invested in ICE vehicles.

From my real world experience I know that for 95% of situations the EV is hands down the best car, and it’s also a very engaging rewarding drivers car.

But obviously I’m brainwashed?

Brainwashed? Probably not. But and engaging rewarding drivers car? Really?

Maybe a different phrase would be more fitting. I'll let you decide.

I already did. I meant what I wrote. The EV is a really engaging, rewarding drivers car. Even when judged against some pretty desirable ICE machinery.

Hard to believe I know, but that’s real world experience for you.

One day you’ll try one and find out I expect.

I have. And it was ludicrously fast. See what I did there?

But, as before, no engine, no interest.

Simply not possible to be engaging or rewarding. iMO.

Top tip and its free.......dont buy one! Easy innit

[biggbn]

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

I'm an enthusiast. I've owned around 200 cars, forgot the exact number. I love driving. I don't own an EV, but I'd love one. Mmmm. I must be an outlier, a one off?....OR just someone who loves cars and driving...anything...let's use the term....erm, enthusiast?

[biggbn]

Chasing Potatoes said:

BlackTank said:

I wish the EV supporters who have made a type of propulsion their identity would just stop with the nonsense that EVs are exciting, engaging, thrilling to drive. They are not which is why Hyundai is trying hard to figure out how to make the Ioniq 5 N drive more like an ICE.

Let's discuss the ease of use, driving simplicity and economics of EVs - don't try to bullst driving enthusiasts on a driving enthusiasts website. It destroys any credibility and harms the discussion on EVs.

I wish that people would stop thinking that only by driving an ICE could you possibly be a driving enthusiast. They’re different, and some people prefer that point of difference.

You’re not better than someone because of your car.

You ARE, you ARE. The hypocrisy on this thread, and others, is hilarious. All that's wrong with PH