EVs... no one wants them!

[monkfish1]

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space availble in the road?

[Merry]

KingGary said:

Hmmmm….

Good isn't it? An EV will run on Petrol, or Diesel.

Or coal, nuclear, sunlight, wind or hydro. Anything you can generate electricity with.

How's that for energy security? I know what I'd be choosing in an end of days mad max situation.

That wasn't your point though was it?

[plfrench]

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

[monkfish1]

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Are you deliberately ignoring the point i made.

Disabled spaces are few and far between. So having one allocated doesnt cause an issue on its own. When more spaces are required than space is available, i say again, how will that work?

[Tony33]

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Buying a dedicated on street car parking space by getting an EV sounds a bit discriminatory though doesn’t it? Can’t see councils going for it.

[FiF]

monkfish1 said:

Yes, i agree it needs planning. But again, so what. There is no plan, and no evidence of anyone tasked with creating one. Happy to be corrected on that of course.

Pleased to see you got there, finally. On the other hand a pathetic response of "so what" just amplifies that something is lacking in attitude generally.

[survivalist]

Tony33 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Buying a dedicated on street car parking space by getting an EV sounds a bit discriminatory though doesn’t it? Can’t see councils going for it.

App with a booking system? Not like everyone needs to charge every night.

Could be like Air BnB. Sell your parking space (inc charging) on the days / times you won’t be there.

Although it makes more sense just to have chargers by the side of the road.

Councils are generally staffed by idiots though, so the private model seems more likely to be successful.

[Merc 450]

monkfish1 said:

And pointless. Investing in an ICE car long term has to be the dumbest thing ive heard for a long time. What possible use will it be in 20 years time? Certainly wont have any value.

What sort of a clown comes on a car website to slag cars off braindead muppetery of the highest order.
I'm with JC on this one (Clarkson not Christ) and he says the F Type is the best looking car ever made.
I've owned a Cerbera which was nearly as quick as the F Type and a 2017 Mustang that was that popular it took me 7 years to find something even better looking.
With a top end of 180mph and 0 to 60 in 4.5 from the supercharged V8 screamer why would I buy a fridge on wheels which is what electric cars are. White goods the betamax of the car world. A fad to be replaced by Hydrogen in the end

[cj2013]

Merc 450 said:

What sort of a clown comes on a car website to slag cars off braindead muppetery of the highest order.
I'm with JC on this one (Clarkson not Christ) and he says the F Type is the best looking car ever made.
I've owned a Cerbera which was nearly as quick as the F Type and a 2017 Mustang that was that popular it took me 7 years to find something even better looking.
With a top end of 180mph and 0 to 60 in 4.5 from the supercharged V8 screamer why would I buy a fridge on wheels which is what electric cars are. White goods the betamax of the car world. A fad to be replaced by Hydrogen in the end

(wait until he finds out what the hydrogen* is powering)

• well, waiting forever as it's a terrible idea

[monkfish1]

Merc 450 said:

monkfish1 said:

And pointless. Investing in an ICE car long term has to be the dumbest thing ive heard for a long time. What possible use will it be in 20 years time? Certainly wont have any value.

What sort of a clown comes on a car website to slag cars off braindead muppetery of the highest order.
I'm with JC on this one (Clarkson not Christ) and he says the F Type is the best looking car ever made.
I've owned a Cerbera which was nearly as quick as the F Type and a 2017 Mustang that was that popular it took me 7 years to find something even better looking.
With a top end of 180mph and 0 to 60 in 4.5 from the supercharged V8 screamer why would I buy a fridge on wheels which is what electric cars are. White goods the betamax of the car world. A fad to be replaced by Hydrogen in the end

Did you read the post that this referred to?

Id agree, its a great car. Even thought about having one at one time.

Doesnt change the fact that buying one, hiding in a garage as in investment isnt smart. Because an investement it certainly wont be in the long term. Unless you like losing money. 20 years from now, it will be mostly worthless as the world will have moved on.

Buy one now to use. Sure, great idea. Get it done now while you can

[monkfish1]

FiF said:

monkfish1 said:

Yes, i agree it needs planning. But again, so what. There is no plan, and no evidence of anyone tasked with creating one. Happy to be corrected on that of course.

Pleased to see you got there, finally. On the other hand a pathetic response of "so what" just amplifies that something is lacking in attitude generally.

Ive never had a different opinion. There was no where to get "too".

Odd post?

[Chucky-egg]

cj2013 said:

(wait until he finds out what the hydrogen* is powering)

• well, waiting forever as it's a terrible idea

Why have an 80% efficient electric motor, when you can power that electric motor with a dangerous substance and make it 40% efficient? Sounds amazing.

[monkfish1]

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Are you deliberately ignoring the point i made.

Disabled spaces are few and far between. So having one allocated doesnt cause an issue on its own. When more spaces are required than space is available, i say again, how will that work?

Well it's either that or do nothing and keep moaning about nothing being done. WHat's your magical answer?

Why would i have the answer? Not for me to find one. As i said, thats for government. Who, plainly, are not looking for an answer.

But proposals, that simply cant work should be called out for the nonsense they are.

My view is, thats its simply not resolvable. Human nature gets in the way, just as it does now in those same places with arguments over parking. It was the same back in 88 when i was living in london and i got my first car. The number of arguments and hostility between neighbours over who parked where were numerous with many believing it was their god given right to park directly outside their house. It was a rare day i got to park outside the house, or even near it. It hasnt got better since, and the number of cars has increased substantially.

People will need to take themselves and the car elsewhere, taking significant addtional time from their lives and families, and to pay 10 times higher price for the energy than those with a drive. Mostly, people who can least afford it. It will come to a head in due course, when the supply of ICE vehicles dwindles and those people face some difficult issues. It will, inevitably, become a political hot potato. Ive no idea how it will pan out at that point though.

But im pretty sure reducing access to personal transport, and their ability to get to work will have consequences, and not good ones.

[plfrench]

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Are you deliberately ignoring the point i made.

Disabled spaces are few and far between. So having one allocated doesnt cause an issue on its own. When more spaces are required than space is available, i say again, how will that work?

It won't. Just found this - Nottingham Council clearly agree with you, so the whole idea is utterly, utterly pointless and a waste of cash:

"Having an EV cable channel installed does not guarantee parking outside your property as a dedicated parking bay outside the property won’t be provided as part of the trial.

This would reduce limited on-street parking capacity for residents and visitors throughout the day at locations where there are already parking pressures, and as the EV charge point would be used exclusively by one household a reserved bay is not considered appropriate."

[monkfish1]

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Are you deliberately ignoring the point i made.

Disabled spaces are few and far between. So having one allocated doesnt cause an issue on its own. When more spaces are required than space is available, i say again, how will that work?

It won't. Just found this - Nottingham Council clearly agree with you, so the whole idea is utterly, utterly pointless and a waste of cash:

"Having an EV cable channel installed does not guarantee parking outside your property as a dedicated parking bay outside the property won’t be provided as part of the trial.

This would reduce limited on-street parking capacity for residents and visitors throughout the day at locations where there are already parking pressures, and as the EV charge point would be used exclusively by one household a reserved bay is not considered appropriate."

Well, quite. Entirely predicatable.

Of course, councils specialize in wasting cash, so carried on with the scheme anyway. And people on this thread ae proposing councils as some kind of solution!

This is exactly what we are up against. Charging a car in the street is not a technology problem. Its a people and human behaviour problem. Thats why its so difficult.

[FiF]

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

monkfish1 said:

plfrench said:

Quite a few councils around the country are running trials with Kerbo. Here is Nottingham's example with a link to apply for free installation as part of the trial.

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/newsroom/news/t...

You'd think you could move to an allocated space approach like you can apply for a disabled space outside your house.

There is funding being made available to local authorities through the LEVI (Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) fund which is specifically focussed on the provision of charging for those who don't have off-street parking.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-local-ev-inf...

How would an allocated space system work, when the number of houses (and cars) exceed the space available in the road?

The same as disabled bays outside houses in the street are now? One per house marked up to sit in the same location as the Kerbo. It's a natural extension on from residents parking permits I guess.

Are you deliberately ignoring the point i made.

Disabled spaces are few and far between. So having one allocated doesnt cause an issue on its own. When more spaces are required than space is available, i say again, how will that work?

It won't. Just found this - Nottingham Council clearly agree with you, so the whole idea is utterly, utterly pointless and a waste of cash:

"Having an EV cable channel installed does not guarantee parking outside your property as a dedicated parking bay outside the property won’t be provided as part of the trial.

This would reduce limited on-street parking capacity for residents and visitors throughout the day at locations where there are already parking pressures, and as the EV charge point would be used exclusively by one household a reserved bay is not considered appropriate."

Well, quite. Entirely predicatable.

Of course, councils specialize in wasting cash, so carried on with the scheme anyway. And people on this thread ae proposing councils as some kind of solution!

This is exactly what we are up against. Charging a car in the street is not a technology problem. Its a people and human behaviour problem. Thats why its so difficult.

Unfortunately regardless of your opinion councils have some devolved responsibilities, influence and powers that they may or may not wish to use, and also unfortunately are not as wise or efficient as many of us would like.

[Tony33]

monkfish1 said:

Well, quite. Entirely predicatable.

Of course, councils specialize in wasting cash, so carried on with the scheme anyway. And people on this thread ae proposing councils as some kind of solution!

This is exactly what we are up against. Charging a car in the street is not a technology problem. Its a people and human behaviour problem. Thats why its so difficult.

The cynic in me suggests that councils will want to be seen to seeking solutions to on street charging so as not to discriminate against people (voters) but really would rather see the cars disappear to meet their vision of active travel and public transport as the primary means of getting around in urban areas.

As for people, off street charging and the provision of shared chargers will create a whole new level of parking wars.

[Blib]

Merc 450 said:

What sort of a clown comes on a car website to slag cars off braindead muppetery of the highest order.
I'm with JC on this one (Clarkson not Christ) and he says the F Type is the best looking car ever made.
I've owned a Cerbera which was nearly as quick as the F Type and a 2017 Mustang that was that popular it took me 7 years to find something even better looking.
With a top end of 180mph and 0 to 60 in 4.5 from the supercharged V8 screamer why would I buy a fridge on wheels which is what electric cars are. White goods the betamax of the car world. A fad to be replaced by Hydrogen in the end

I own an f type convertible, a la JC and another ICE car.

I also own two fully electric cars. I enjoy driving each of them as each has its own attributes.

This issue really does not have to be black and white.

[Ankh87]

Going to be fun isn't it when someone is using the charger outside your house and you have to park 2 streets away. They then throw it to one side with little care and it gets damaged.

Council then tell you, you need to pay for it as the charger is outside your house and it's your responsibility.

[BrownBottle]

Ankh87 said:

braddo said:

What?!

That solution is ridiculously simple - connect cable to house, lay the cable in the trough, connect cable to car. Next morning, disconnect cable and put inside car or house.

Those charging cables are worth money, no-one is going to leave them out when not in use (unless they are complete idiots). Most people won't need to charge more than once per week.

There will need to be a bit of collective thinking about how to manage on-street parking and for apartment car parks. These are not problems that threaten the viability of EVs.

Also, there are hundreds of thousands of terraced houses in the UK that are worth £1m+. This is not about the poor being neglected in the EV transition...

On-street parking isn't as simple as you think it is. Everyone wants to park outside their home regardless if they have one or multiple cars. I've seen it first hand where even those who have this issue and have one car per household, there's still not enough on-street parking. Cars are having to be parked on the next street.

When it comes to on-street parking, you'll find that people are not reasonable or rational about this at all. Even now, where there isn't really a need to be parked outside their house as they are not charging their cars. This isn't going to change in the future, if anything it's going to be far worse. Especially when cars are parked just that 2 meters further down, making all the other cars further down, meaning the cable won't reach. Or if someone goes from say a small hatchback to a big long Skoda Superb. Stupid things like that have a knock on effect.

Just like now, when I go to the in-laws if I want to be parked on their street, then I take a risk because there is no off-street parking at all. So I take the partners tiny Kia because I know that if there is a space, it's usually just big enough for that car. If I take mine then every time I go to the in-laws I have to park 2 streets away because that's where there is space. It's a complete pain.


What it comes down to is that people are selfish and really do not give a hoot.


I would like to add, that even digging up the path just to lay this cable is going to cost at least £500. That's before even paying to have the thing installed.

Must say it's staggering that you're having to explain the realities of on street parking to someone.