EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
barryrs said:
WyrleyD said:
Personally I don't think I'll be able to have an electric car in my lifetime, reason being no parking anywhere near the house (terraced on a walkway with nearest parking about 100m away). I do like to read about them and hear about how people are getting on with them, I did come across some videos on Youtube by a guy called The MacMaster who seems to mainly review junk food, he must be doing OK though as he leased a new Taycan and he seems to dislike the concept of the electric car and is going back to petrol 911 as soon as he can. His first service cost something like £1500 which was £750 for the "service" and £750 for two rear tyres (this was at Porsche Leeds), anyway they are worth a watch.
Not sure what he has to complain about?£750 for a service at a dealer that probably charges £150 per hour labour seems about right and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV's on my EQC are £375 each fitted.
If he’s cross about that why is he going back to a 911? That’s unlikely to be cheaper!
Discombobulate said:
Merc 450 said:
Looks like we won't have to bother with electric crappy cars in my lifetime the EU are saying they won't ban new diesel and petrol cars until 2035. I hate the EU but that's a great result
Don't get too excited....
Monkeylegend said:
Discombobulate said:
Merc 450 said:
Looks like we won't have to bother with electric crappy cars in my lifetime the EU are saying they won't ban new diesel and petrol cars until 2035. I hate the EU but that's a great result
Don't get too excited....starsky67 said:
barryrs said:
WyrleyD said:
Personally I don't think I'll be able to have an electric car in my lifetime, reason being no parking anywhere near the house (terraced on a walkway with nearest parking about 100m away). I do like to read about them and hear about how people are getting on with them, I did come across some videos on Youtube by a guy called The MacMaster who seems to mainly review junk food, he must be doing OK though as he leased a new Taycan and he seems to dislike the concept of the electric car and is going back to petrol 911 as soon as he can. His first service cost something like £1500 which was £750 for the "service" and £750 for two rear tyres (this was at Porsche Leeds), anyway they are worth a watch.
Not sure what he has to complain about?£750 for a service at a dealer that probably charges £150 per hour labour seems about right and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV's on my EQC are £375 each fitted.
If he’s cross about that why is he going back to a 911? That’s unlikely to be cheaper!
Here's a selection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhtzSMzVkZs&ab...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZ3POYrc8o&ab...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjG15K6BU5o&ab...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kOTGEtjUdI&ab...
There are many others.
starsky67 said:
Well the only things you mentioned were the servicing cost and the concept.
Like Giles Coren he sounds like someone who buys first and thinks later, did he not do any research into his use case?
Of course they did the research. They knew what they were getting into. They are just interested in creating "content" that grabs people's attention and clicks. Like Giles Coren he sounds like someone who buys first and thinks later, did he not do any research into his use case?
barryrs said:
A pollen filter and fitting is probably £100 at a Porsche main dealer.
Technician scratching his balls is probably another £50.
Premium brand charges premium prices; shocking!
When a dealership is probably charging north of £150 per hour, I think that you'd do well to have a genuine part fitted for £100Technician scratching his balls is probably another £50.
Premium brand charges premium prices; shocking!
raspy said:
starsky67 said:
Well the only things you mentioned were the servicing cost and the concept.
Like Giles Coren he sounds like someone who buys first and thinks later, did he not do any research into his use case?
Of course they did the research. They knew what they were getting into. They are just interested in creating "content" that grabs people's attention and clicks. Like Giles Coren he sounds like someone who buys first and thinks later, did he not do any research into his use case?
I don’t ever want an EV, but I like to keep up with progress.
Plus Milkyway loves his touring caravan.
Tesla Superchargers... for non Tesla owners.
They will charge you more.
Possible difficulty in getting the lead to reach.
If the car is too big for the bay... just keep on driving.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Plus Milkyway loves his touring caravan.
Tesla Superchargers... for non Tesla owners.
They will charge you more.
Possible difficulty in getting the lead to reach.
If the car is too big for the bay... just keep on driving.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Edited by Milkyway on Friday 31st March 15:13
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
silent ninja said:
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
Is this because fewer people are buying an EV due to cost of living or because they realise that they won't start saving money over an ICE isn't until 5 years of ownership or something else entirely. Something isn't adding up here. If EVs are so good then why are companies getting force to sell them. The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
silent ninja said:
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
Maybe car manufacturers should be fined £15000 for every ev they sell that costs more than £25000. Maybe then a huge amount of people who actually wouldn’t mind an ev will be able to buy one. The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
Oh, and scrap the low BIK on any ev over £25k too.
EV’s are soooo much better than anything else of course why would this be a problem?
I think it's basically state intervention to give everyone a kick up the backside in order that the net zero targets can be progressed towards, under the pretext that nothing will get done otherwise.
I was mildly optimistic that Chinese car manufacturers would enter western EV markets and that that would bring ownership and running costs down, especially now that Kia and Hyundai have seemingly gone a bit more 'premium' as of late.
Otherwise, I'm still doing fine with a functioning ICE shed that I've had for nearly two years, and which barely does more than a thousand miles a year, so I'll stick with that for now as the logical, economical and environmentally friendly thing to do.
I was mildly optimistic that Chinese car manufacturers would enter western EV markets and that that would bring ownership and running costs down, especially now that Kia and Hyundai have seemingly gone a bit more 'premium' as of late.
Otherwise, I'm still doing fine with a functioning ICE shed that I've had for nearly two years, and which barely does more than a thousand miles a year, so I'll stick with that for now as the logical, economical and environmentally friendly thing to do.
silent ninja said:
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
barryrs said:
Won’t manufacturers just adopt the Porsche GT model.
I suspect the only ICE cars available will increasingly be super cars and one will need an established “relationship” to be offered one.
I expect Porsche will buy EV credits from other manufacturers to allow them to sell hybrids up to 2035 and factor that in the price I suspect the only ICE cars available will increasingly be super cars and one will need an established “relationship” to be offered one.
The market for those credits is going to be interesting as they get rarer year by year
skinnyman said:
silent ninja said:
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
With this drive towards electrification in the UK and percentage of registration targets becoming ever more stringent, I can see some manufacturers just pulling out of the UK altogether.
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 1st April 17:43
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