EVs... no one wants them!
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dmsims said:
craigjm said:
JLR have just announced another battery recall for the I-Pace this time impacting only on cars built before 2019. There is no fix at present so the advice is to just not charge beyond 75%
soupdragon1 said:
Sort of true, sort of myth.
Batteries don't like a high or low state of charge and left like that, so battery care is 20 to 80 rule of thumb. Charging to 100% overnight and driving the next day is fine, the same as driving to nearly zero and then charging.
Charging to 100% is also recommended for cell balancing. Just don't leave it at the airport at 100% and come back 2 weeks later. I mean, car and battery will still be fine, but if you want to take care of it, it's better to leave it half charged rather than fully.
So yeah, you've always got 100% battery usage at your disposal rather than the mythical 60%. Not to be confused with battery care recommendations, which are 20 to 80
Ice car can't be used fully until the oil warms up, but some will ignore that and floor it from cold. Same sort of principle. If you want to look after your vehicle, do it. If not, the life of it will shorten.
And remember that LFP batteries can and should be charged to 100%. Batteries don't like a high or low state of charge and left like that, so battery care is 20 to 80 rule of thumb. Charging to 100% overnight and driving the next day is fine, the same as driving to nearly zero and then charging.
Charging to 100% is also recommended for cell balancing. Just don't leave it at the airport at 100% and come back 2 weeks later. I mean, car and battery will still be fine, but if you want to take care of it, it's better to leave it half charged rather than fully.
So yeah, you've always got 100% battery usage at your disposal rather than the mythical 60%. Not to be confused with battery care recommendations, which are 20 to 80
Ice car can't be used fully until the oil warms up, but some will ignore that and floor it from cold. Same sort of principle. If you want to look after your vehicle, do it. If not, the life of it will shorten.
GT9 said:
wormus said:
No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.
You were saying something earlier about passive aggression?Here’s a joke to cheer you up: How can you tell if an EV driver is an extrovert? They stare at somebody else’s shoes when you talk to them.
wormus said:
Hmmm so that 15 minutes on a supercharger we were talking about to get you 150 miles will kill your battery? Doesn’t sound as good as the 450-600 miles you’ll get from filling an ICE car with a tank of fuel in 5 minutes. At 80% battery capacity, I wonder what the range is? Surely it’s the equivalent of buying a second hand phone that can barely make it through the day on a single charge? Meanwhile an ICE will do 250k miles with the same range and fuel efficiency. Doesn’t sound much progress to me.
No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.
In that example, their car had charged for roughly 38,000 miles on a DC fast charger. That is a lot of 15 minute sessions. And the car in total had done more than 100,000 miles and yet the battery degradation was still only around 10%. If the original range was roughly 280 miles (real-world) then the current range would be just over 250 miles. Considering the rate of degradation slows down, I'd think it won't reach 80% until it has driven maybe near to 300,000 miles at which point the range would be somewhere around 220 miles.No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.
And the comparison with phone batteries isn't valid. The chemistry is different, in order to achieve better longevity and to accept a higher charging current. Plus there is thermal management on modern EVs, so the temperature is kept in the optimal range in order to preserve performance (that was the big reason the Nissan Leaf batteries struggled).
nammynake said:
Jk89 said:
Tesla build quality is awful.
That is simply untrue. What specifically do you mean and what’s your source?I think the Tesla (model 3) won the range test but when the AA came to tow it on to a truck to take it to the nearest charger they discovered the hole for the towing eye hadn't been threaded.
That doesn't exactly say great QC.
Edited by nunpuncher on Wednesday 27th March 19:48
Jk89 said:
Tesla build quality is awful but they are way ahead of the competition in terms of range and battery reliability/longevity.
I read that Kia batteries don’t do well at all with regard to longevity.
I expected the build quality to be terrible based on what I'd read but it's really not bad relative to other new cars. Shutlines are fine, and interior is still squeak and rattle free after 25k miles. It's not like a W124, but no complaints here. I read that Kia batteries don’t do well at all with regard to longevity.
EddieSteadyGo said:
As a personal example, my model 3 is now three years old, and I've spent precisely zero on servicing. All it has needed are new tyres. Nothing goes wrong, no work is needed. It just works.
Same story here. 15k and 2 years and all I've done is replace wiper blades and fill screen wash. Tyres were new when we bought it and there's still useful tread left. It might not be exciting but it's stupidly cheap and easy to own.wormus said:
Hmmm so that 15 minutes on a supercharger we were talking about to get you 150 miles will kill your battery? Doesn’t sound as good as the 450-600 miles you’ll get from filling an ICE car with a tank of fuel in 5 minutes. At 80% battery capacity, I wonder what the range is? Surely it’s the equivalent of buying a second hand phone that can barely make it through the day on a single charge? Meanwhile an ICE will do 250k miles with the same range and fuel efficiency. Doesn’t sound much progress to me.
No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.
It feels like you're using this thread to vent. I'm not sure why though. Even when contradictory evidence from real experience is presented you still seem keen to argue and antagonise.No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.
FiF said:
You've missed one group E: people who do not believe all the BS spouted on here for whom an EV could currently work but don't have one because the market for new vehicles doesn't yet provide a vehicle that is suitable for their use case for genuine reasons completely other than because it's an EV. Those people are keeping watch on developments and will happily change to EV at the next opportunity when a) they need to change vehicle and b) a suitable one becomes available in a design and/or at a price point they are willing to pay, be that new or used.
Yeah, that one.EV would suit me perfectly these days, but I've got a coming-up-to 8 year old Skoda with low miles, good servicing ('cos I did most of it myself), easily over 40mpg and a very short commute. It's paid for and I can't see me changing it for several years yet as EVs are just too expensive to save the cost-to-change at maybe 6k miles/year.
(I might have thought about getting in the the £200/month Hondas if I'd have seen it in time, but I probably wouldn't have sold the Skoda, just laid it up).
Dave200 said:
It feels like you're using this thread to vent. I'm not sure why though. Even when contradictory evidence from real experience is presented you still seem keen to argue and antagonise.
Typical tinfoil merchant. Probably thinks Covid was fake, Brexit was a great idea and Farage is a top boy.stevemcs said:
Brakes always tend to be in very poor condition, Tesla seem to be the worst but thats most likely down to how they brake.
I do think EV owners don't maintain there cars in the same way as traditional cars, I put this down to the fact there is no oil to change so the owners think they don't need a service.
The manufacturers don't think they need a service either. I do think EV owners don't maintain there cars in the same way as traditional cars, I put this down to the fact there is no oil to change so the owners think they don't need a service.
I've just had my Tesla MOT'd after 45,000 miles (with no servicing), the brakes are in pretty much new condition as they're rarely used. I wonder why you're seeing so many Tesla's with brakes in very poor condition? Rusty discs?
RayDonovan said:
Jk89 said:
nammynake said:
That is simply untrue. What specifically do you mean and what’s your source?
This is the problem with cults.Why can’t anyone be objective anymore?
Tesla build quality is Fisher price compared to European and Japanese cars.
Solid mechanicals as you'd expect but the interior is toss and is wearing poorly
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