What's the 'nicest' car without keyless go / entry?

[Newc]

Piginapoke said:

Tesla Model Y? Next gen security and no key at all.

Interesting idea. Have never been in one of them, I'll give it a try during the week.

samoht said:

I suggest buying something really obscure

TonyG2003 said:

Plenty of Porsche models you can order without keyless go/entry.

It's going to be a Macan, Cayenne, or Toyota Century V12.

carlove said:

I believe they go in through the wheel arch and somehow turn the engine on. Seen it a lot online on RXs and Toyota Rav-4s. If you put stolen rx/rav4 in on YouTube there's loads of videos of them doing it.

Well that was...enlightening.

I'm amazed this hasn't been squeezed out by the insurers. "So Mr Manufacturer, you're selling a car that can be started and driven without having a physical key present? I hope your prospective customers like paying 5k annual premiums"

It was a two year old car. My insurer is going to be paying out a chunky number, much more than my total spend in premiums over the years. Car theft in the UK was slashed by immobilisers and rolling key codes, and that process has gone into reverse to fix something that wasn't ever a problem.

[7heGeneral]

No idea what car you should be looking at, but i was looking to swap my dads is300h for a NX & was advised by the salesman to avoid them for now. Apparently the thieves pry off the bumper & connect their computer to the headlight module allowing them to start the car. Lexus/Toyota don’t know what to about it just yet according to him. He even showed me a couple in the car park which had been recovered by police that still had the bumper hanging off on the passenger side.

Good luck with your search OP

Edited by 7heGeneral on Monday 27th February 08:47

Edited by 7heGeneral on Monday 27th February 08:47

Edited by 7heGeneral on Monday 27th February 08:48

[7heGeneral]

Apologies for all the edits - couldn’t type properly just then

[anonymous-user]

Newc said:

I've always felt keyless go is a pointless thing that nobody asked for, fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and creating a whole new way to enable scrotes and scrotism. And now I feel vindicated.

Having just purchased my first car with keyless entry I totally agree with you, I still don't understand why pushing a button to lock and inlock your car is too much effort. I don't like walking away from the car and waiting to hear it lock, I just don't trust it.

On my car, if you lock it with the key I think it disables keyless until the next time you start the car with the key in the slot.

[Truckosaurus]

I suspect the only foolproof solution is to have a car not worth stealing.

I was watching a Youtube video about a salvaged Discovery where they had cut a hole in the bodywork to get to one of the ECUs, they then swap in their own ECU that matches a set of keys they have and can just unlock and start the car.

Back in the day before keyless people were worried thieves would break into your house and steal the keys.

[Pica-Pica]

Truckosaurus said:

I suspect the only foolproof solution is to have a car not worth stealing.

I was watching a Youtube video about a salvaged Discovery where they had cut a hole in the bodywork to get to one of the ECUs, they then swap in their own ECU that matches a set of keys they have and can just unlock and start the car.

Back in the day before keyless people were worried thieves would break into your house and steal the keys.

The only foolproof solution is not to have a car. ‘Worthless’ cars ,at still be stolen for joyriding, and other crimes other than re-selling/stripping.

[LeeM135i]

You can turn off keyless entry in the settings in my Mercedes. You can also take the starter button out of the key hole and take it with you which means you have to use the key or have a spare starter button and a reprogrammer / repeater thingy.

If they really want your car they will take it, at least with the keyless Lexus it disappeared with out them breaking into your house to look for the keys. The only real way around it is to have something undesirable but every car is disable to someone who wants it.

My Mercedes is locked in the garage, with a steering lock and has the company van parked in front of the door, about as secure as it can be. But break a window, rummage in the drawers and they will find all the keys and fobs and it will be gone. That's what insurance is for.

Every sympathy but we just can't have nice things while the reward for steeling is higher than the punishment for steeling.

[liner33]

As already mentioned this is nothing to do with keyless/relay theft , its more a canbus theft , ie the thief accesses the ecu and gets the car to unlock/drive from there

Buy a steering lock and/or a ghost style immobiliser and enjoy the benefits of keyless entry

[Rolls-canardley]

When I ordered a new VW GTi last year, I was advised by the dealer not bother with the keyless entry being an option (although I had it on the trade in), as unbelievably it would increase the residual value later and be much more secure!
So I took the advice having heard/read the keyless entry horror stories. Opted for all the other extra options, I now realise what good advice was given, along with the fact I really don’t miss it.

[AudiMan9000]

My 2021 Audi Q5 has keyless go, but does not have keyless entry. So you need to use the key to lock/unlock the car.

[PastelNata]

I thought 'sleeping keys' were supposed to be the solution to keyless entry theft?

My BMW Dealer made a big hoo ha about that when I bought mine. The keys go to sleep after 40s and therefore don't react to any signal.

[P. ONeill]

mike42 said:

A stolen car equals a new sale for the manufacturer. They have little incentive to do a decent job with security.

This all day long. The car industry could stop car theft if they really wanted to.

Those faraday pouches have a tendency to wear out over time.

[Mark V GTD]

AudiMan9000 said:

My 2021 Audi Q5 has keyless go, but does not have keyless entry. So you need to use the key to lock/unlock the car.

I think this is pretty normal for most Audi cars now. My 2022 A5 had had the same set up.

[Easternlight]

PastelNata said:

I thought 'sleeping keys' were supposed to be the solution to keyless entry theft?

My BMW Dealer made a big hoo ha about that when I bought mine. The keys go to sleep after 40s and therefore don't react to any signal.

Read above they're by passing the keys altogether.

[Newc]

konster296 said:

The cars on my list have keyless as an option although quite a few on the used market don’t have it.

Second generation CLS (2011-2018)
Porsche Macan

Just to finish the thread off, got a Macan, so thanks again for the pointer.

Also bit of a shout out to Admiral. I know they can get a bad press on here sometimes, but they've been great. Smooth process, payment through straight away. They've even given a good quote on the new car.

[ChocolateFrog]

Joey Deacon said:

Newc said:

I've always felt keyless go is a pointless thing that nobody asked for, fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and creating a whole new way to enable scrotes and scrotism. And now I feel vindicated.

Having just purchased my first car with keyless entry I totally agree with you, I still don't understand why pushing a button to lock and inlock your car is too much effort. I don't like walking away from the car and waiting to hear it lock, I just don't trust it.

On my car, if you lock it with the key I think it disables keyless until the next time you start the car with the key in the slot.

I personally love it.

Often got a kid in one arm and something else kid related in the other.

Walk up to car, it unlocks, walk away it locks.

I don't touch the key for weeks at a time.

Only once has it been annoying. Was filling up with fuel realised I'd left my phone in the car that I needed to pay with, realised car was locked, realised missus had wandered off into the supermarket with the key in her pocket.

No phone so had to wait by the car for 15 minutes before she came back, kids were in the back so couldn't leave them.

Lesson learnt.