F56 Mini questions

[nickfrog]

I like that blue one and it does look like you could get JCW seats on a S post LCI.

Good option but that is kind of JCW pricing, particularly without the AUC warranty.

And it still doesn't solve the brakes issue.

[greggy50]

nickfrog said:

I like that blue one and it does look like you could get JCW seats on a S post LCI.

Good option but that is kind of JCW pricing, particularly without the AUC warranty.

And it still doesn't solve the brakes issue.

Fair point on the brakes, the only JCW 2019 onwards with a decent spec are £21k+ however so a fair chunk more. The one below seems the best bet that I can see.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303295...

If you are happy for "high" millage i.e. 45k miles which in reality is bugger all for a modern car this one may be worth a shout.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209300...

[Olivera]

greggy50 said:

This one looks decent value and has heated seats, it would be easy to get it above JWC power safely as the engines are massively de-tuned from the factory. The standard model tops out at about 310bhp however before you have to forge whereas the JCW can do 350 due to the compression ration if you stick a hybrid turbo on.

310 bhp on a Cooper S with those small discs and sliding calipers on the front must be an exercise in alarming stopping power.

I actually find stock power on the JCW just fine.

[ChrisH72]

You definitely pay a premium for the JCW. However I do agree with those who say they should hold their value a bit better so as long as the purchase price is affordable then it should be okay.

The rebel green in Cardif is my favourite so far, I linked that one a couple of days ago.

For now I'm going to keep an eye out for something a bit more local and just see what comes up. I'm in no rush and finding time to travel longer distances is tricky at the moment. There's a few franchised mini dealers within an hours drive so I'll concentrate mainly on those.

[greggy50]

Olivera said:

greggy50 said:

This one looks decent value and has heated seats, it would be easy to get it above JWC power safely as the engines are massively de-tuned from the factory. The standard model tops out at about 310bhp however before you have to forge whereas the JCW can do 350 due to the compression ration if you stick a hybrid turbo on.

310 bhp on a Cooper S with those small discs and sliding calipers on the front must be an exercise in alarming stopping power.

I actually find stock power on the JCW just fine.

I wouldn't go to that level without upgrading the brakes, you can get the JCW brakes brand new for £1,500 or a lot less 2nd hand.

These are £325 and then probably the same again for a refurb.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195566386863?hash=item2...

As it is my wifes car and won't be on track I am just going Stage 1 with the PPF delete to circa. 270bhp and will stick some better pads on it which will do for on the road.

[Deep Thought]

Olivera said:

greggy50 said:

This one looks decent value and has heated seats, it would be easy to get it above JWC power safely as the engines are massively de-tuned from the factory. The standard model tops out at about 310bhp however before you have to forge whereas the JCW can do 350 due to the compression ration if you stick a hybrid turbo on.

310 bhp on a Cooper S with those small discs and sliding calipers on the front must be an exercise in alarming stopping power.

I actually find stock power on the JCW just fine.

It would be a cheek clenching experience getting it stopped. My 2018 Cooper S was only modded to 240BHP ish and that was hair raising getting it stopped.

[ChrisH72]

I'm very much into keeping my cars standard so won't be modding or going for more power. Even the thought of changing run flats if the car came with them makes me twitch a bit!

[greggy50]

ChrisH72 said:

I'm very much into keeping my cars standard so won't be modding or going for more power. Even the thought of changing run flats if the car came with them makes me twitch a bit!

Fair enough, I have always re-mapped any turbo car I have owned and never had any issues. As long as you don't chase peak numbers and upgrade cooling if you are doing track work and do some research you tend to be fine from my personal experience.

Even with 192bhp the Cooper S I drove seemed pretty quick for a small car to be honest so I am sure a standard JCW with 230-240ish will be plenty for a road car.

[nickfrog]

greggy50 said:

Fair point on the brakes, the only JCW 2019 onwards with a decent spec are £21k+ however so a fair chunk more. The one below seems the best bet that I can see.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303295...

If you are happy for "high" millage i.e. 45k miles which in reality is bugger all for a modern car this one may be worth a shout.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209300...

Or this

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023030749...

[greggy50]

nickfrog said:

Or this

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023030749...

That one has the boggo a/c and no heated seats which I believe the OP is after.

[nickfrog]

greggy50 said:

That one has the boggo a/c and no heated seats which I believe the OP is after.

True although I think he says he could live without the heated seats. I am no sure he has mentioned climate but I hadn't noticed it was missing. The would annoy me more than lack of heated seats, same for sensors which is also missing.

It was only to highlight how close prices of S and JCW can be for the same year, although you're right the one I linked probably has some unforgivable omissions.

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 11th April 15:40

[greggy50]

nickfrog said:

greggy50 said:

That one has the boggo a/c and no heated seats which I believe the OP is after.

True although I think he says he could live without the heated seats.

It was only to highlight how close prices of S and JCW can be for the same year.

Yes, the Classic I purchased for my wife with a similar mileage and year was £4k less than that however and did have the climate and heated seats.

I would still take a JCW if it was myself as I think the extra money is well worth it if you are a petrolhead but she was coming from a 1.2 Fiat 500 so I couldn't justify it.

I probably only needed a One or Cooper to be honest and man maths got us into an S...

[cerb4.5lee]

It is crazy how the spec on MINIs varies so much I reckon. Although it is quite easy to get carried away with the options though, I spent £5k on options on mine and it still only had the small screen with nav, ideally I'd have wanted the big screen nav and the pan roof as well. Mine with the black leather was quite dark inside, so a sunroof would have brightened it up a bit I think.

[cerb4.5lee]

This is the interior in mine, and the closest I got to the JCW was the steering wheel!


You lot are making me want another one!

[Olivera]

ChrisH72 said:

I'm very much into keeping my cars standard so won't be modding or going for more power. Even the thought of changing run flats if the car came with them makes me twitch a bit!

The runflats on the 18" cup spoke wheels are dogst. Poor ride and limited grip. Ditching them for a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric significantly improved the car.

[nickfrog]

cerb4.5lee said:

You lot are making me want another one!

Why did you sell it Lee?. You might have told me already. Maybe you're like me as I change cars on a whim without real rationale behind the decision.

If you got a JCW it would be the perfect car to learn Cadwell...

[cerb4.5lee]

nickfrog said:

Why did you sell it Lee?. You might have told me already. Maybe you're like me as I change cars on a whim without real rationale behind the decision.

If you got a JCW it would be the perfect car to learn Cadwell...

I was just looking for a change really Nick. I'd had it just over 3.5 years, so I did have it a while to enjoy it. I enjoyed every drive of it which is a testament to it I reckon.

I'd always wanted a F82 M4 though, and me and the missus just got chatting one day and we decided to swap the MINI for one of those instead. The M4 is great too and I'm really happy with it.

A JCW definitely would be a great car to learn Cadwell in as you say.

[nickfrog]

cerb4.5lee said:

I was just looking for a change really Nick. I'd had it just over 3.5 years, so I did have it a while to enjoy it. I enjoyed every drive of it which is a testament to it I reckon.

I'd always wanted a F82 M4 though, and me and the missus just got chatting one day and we decided to swap the MINI for one of those instead. The M4 is great too and I'm really happy with it.

A JCW definitely would be a great car to learn Cadwell in as you say.

I didn't realise that you swapped it for the M4. I thought you sold it way before that and then suddenly saw there was a gap in your massive fleet!

[ChrisH72]

Olivera said:

ChrisH72 said:

I'm very much into keeping my cars standard so won't be modding or going for more power. Even the thought of changing run flats if the car came with them makes me twitch a bit!

The runflats on the 18" cup spoke wheels are dogst. Poor ride and limited grip. Ditching them for a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric significantly improved the car.

I was reading somewhere that the main issue is the original Pirelli P7 Cinturato and that changing to Dunlop Sportmaxx is a lot better. Most enthusiastic drivers would probably have changed the tyres so maybe a car still on Pirelli run flats wouldn't have been driven hard?

[ChrisH72]

Thoughts on this one?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023041261...

Not AUC but the mileage is fairly low, only 2 owners and the ad says full service history. I like the colour and it seems well specced. Price looks okay.

It has Michelin tyres which I'm guessing are not run flats but can't tell from the pics.