Talk me out of (or into) a Jag XFR
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Stratstone quoted £1,100 for the cambelt change and oil service on my X351 diesel last month, you can get a quote from the Jaguar website I believe (https://www.jaguar.co.uk/ownership/servicing/book-a-service-or-mot-online.html#book-a-service-tool)
IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
GeniusOfLove said:
Stratstone quoted £1,100 for the cambelt change and oil service on my X351 diesel last month, you can get a quote from the Jaguar website I believe (https://www.jaguar.co.uk/ownership/servicing/book-a-service-or-mot-online.html#book-a-service-tool)
IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
I can't recall exactly, but I believe it also includes the replacement of an oil pump? (the general idea being it's a pain to get to if it ever needs changing, so might as well put a new one in whilst they're there). The problem she has is that she lives in east anglia, and they seem a little bereft of choice when it comes to Jag specialists.IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
I believe it's fairly common to put in an oil pump on the AJDV6 when you change the belt, whether this is due to folklore more than sound reasoning I don't know but the part is £150 inc VAT for an OE one so why not chuck one in when it's in bits.
There is a lot of internet huff-puffery about this engine, and I've seen a couple with snapped cranks in LRs, but it's very common to see moon mileage XFs and X351 XJs with it and not that many non runners. I halved the oil change intervals on mine to avoid oil dilution issues, common to all DPF equipped diesels, and an oil change in is a 15 minute job with the helpful extraction point and top mounted filter.
There is a lot of internet huff-puffery about this engine, and I've seen a couple with snapped cranks in LRs, but it's very common to see moon mileage XFs and X351 XJs with it and not that many non runners. I halved the oil change intervals on mine to avoid oil dilution issues, common to all DPF equipped diesels, and an oil change in is a 15 minute job with the helpful extraction point and top mounted filter.
Ive not long gotten ridden of an XFR, i regret it now. Bought a 4 series coupe 320BHP which is coming this week.
if there was an upgrade in terms of modernity on the interior/ sat nav etc in the XFR from my 2009 model to one of the more recent years i'd have probably gone back straight away. there isn't a car with similar performance and smiles per miles out there for the money imo
if there was an upgrade in terms of modernity on the interior/ sat nav etc in the XFR from my 2009 model to one of the more recent years i'd have probably gone back straight away. there isn't a car with similar performance and smiles per miles out there for the money imo
NuckyThompson said:
Ive not long gotten ridden of an XFR, i regret it now. Bought a 4 series coupe 320BHP which is coming this week.
if there was an upgrade in terms of modernity on the interior/ sat nav etc in the XFR from my 2009 model to one of the more recent years i'd have probably gone back straight away. there isn't a car with similar performance and smiles per miles out there for the money imo
Think I'm more or less waiting now for the right one to come up, and hopefully it's not on the South Coast as I'm in Yorkshire! if there was an upgrade in terms of modernity on the interior/ sat nav etc in the XFR from my 2009 model to one of the more recent years i'd have probably gone back straight away. there isn't a car with similar performance and smiles per miles out there for the money imo
GeniusOfLove said:
Stratstone quoted £1,100 for the cambelt change and oil service on my X351 diesel last month, you can get a quote from the Jaguar website I believe (https://www.jaguar.co.uk/ownership/servicing/book-a-service-or-mot-online.html#book-a-service-tool)
IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
Does the £550 include the injection pump belt at the back ?IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
GeniusOfLove said:
Gearbox fluid is an odd one, you can get an actual ZF service kit for £180 that includes the oil, filter/sump, and new bolts, and it takes all of an hour to do it but everybody wants to charge you £400+ for the job. Do you get paid £200+ after tax an hour? If not then it's worth doing it yourself
If you can DIY they're a really quite cheap car to own, they even have a special pipe for an oil extractor and the filter housing is on top of the engine so a full service a dealer would want £400 for is literally 30 minutes of work and less than £100 of oil and parts to change the fluids and filters. The much feared valley hoses requiring the charger to be removed is also not a particularly difficult job, but specialists and dealers will absolutely ream you for it.
Supercharger can be sent off for a rebuild for £450 odd too, I'd much rather face that than replacing a turbo or two on one of the Hot-V German 500bhp V8s!!
No, but when DIYing this job I'm not having to pay for premises, staff, equipment, insurance, business rates, environmental disposal and all the other myriad costs involved in running a garage. If you can DIY they're a really quite cheap car to own, they even have a special pipe for an oil extractor and the filter housing is on top of the engine so a full service a dealer would want £400 for is literally 30 minutes of work and less than £100 of oil and parts to change the fluids and filters. The much feared valley hoses requiring the charger to be removed is also not a particularly difficult job, but specialists and dealers will absolutely ream you for it.
Supercharger can be sent off for a rebuild for £450 odd too, I'd much rather face that than replacing a turbo or two on one of the Hot-V German 500bhp V8s!!
Personally I'd be more than happy to crack on with this level of spannering on my own car, but the majority of people are not, and want a nice shiny receipt in their service history to prove that a professional has done it.
stevemcs said:
GeniusOfLove said:
Stratstone quoted £1,100 for the cambelt change and oil service on my X351 diesel last month, you can get a quote from the Jaguar website I believe (https://www.jaguar.co.uk/ownership/servicing/book-a-service-or-mot-online.html#book-a-service-tool)
IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
Does the £550 include the injection pump belt at the back ?IMHO your specialist is absolutely rinsing you at £900. I called round local independents and a really well respected Jaguar specialist and the highest quote was £550 and the lowest was £450.
I seem to remember paying £300 odd to have it done on a 2.7d S Type in 2013.
PurpleTurtle said:
No, but when DIYing this job I'm not having to pay for premises, staff, equipment, insurance, business rates, environmental disposal and all the other myriad costs involved in running a garage.
Personally I'd be more than happy to crack on with this level of spannering on my own car, but the majority of people are not, and want a nice shiny receipt in their service history to prove that a professional has done it.
Point taken but that's included in their hourly rate. I think even the book time for that job was 1.2 hours, from memory, so that's quite the hourly rate to end up at £400+.Personally I'd be more than happy to crack on with this level of spannering on my own car, but the majority of people are not, and want a nice shiny receipt in their service history to prove that a professional has done it.
People in the UK, including most garages, are so scared of automatic gearboxes people feel free to take the piss. FWIW I seem to recall Planet Gears in Peterborough doing just a fluid change for £80 and fluid and filter for £150 or so on a 4.2 X350 I had a couple of years ago so they're not all sharks.
As a job it's barely any harder than an engine oil and filter change, and the oil for a ZF6 or ZF8 isn't mega money like it was 15 years ago. No justification for the £400+ bills beyond taking advantage of people.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Wednesday 24th May 14:30
ajguk said:
OK so it's coming to new car time. I've currently got a 2011 Volvo S40 as my shed, and a Z4 E89 30i as my 'nice' or weekend car. The thing is, I probably now do less than 3000 miles p/a combined in both. The other half would really like me to keep the Z4, and so would I as I really do love it - it doesn't owe me anything and I've so far kept it the longest of any car I've had (nearly 5 years). So that one is staying.....I think.
The Volvo is another story - I hate it, it really isn't a pleasant drive at all, no power, basically it's got to go. The thing is, what to replace it with. Because I do so few miles, the price of petrol (at the moment at least) doesn't really bother me so I'm considering a V8. And I keep coming back to the Jaguar XFR - can they be beaten for the money? Budget is up to 20K but under 15K would be better, mainly because it wouldn't be used enough to justify the outlay. To give you some ideas, this is a short list of what I've considered so far. Some were probably on there when I was considering chopping in the Z4 so they may be out of budget unless I change my mind.
Jag XE-S, XF-S, XFR
Alfa Giulia Veloce
BMW M140i - or any B58 tbh......540i would be my ideal one car solution but they're ~25K ish
Audi S4/5 Sportback
Golf GTI or R (if it's an R, I'd ideally have the estate)
Seat Leon Cupra 300 (again - it would have to be the estate)
Cayenne GTS (JayEmm's fault)
Merc CL500 (ZX10...
)
I need 4+ seats, a usable boot, rear doors are preferable. Wafty would be good but as you can see from the list I'm open to ideas.
Am I mad for considering a 10-15 year old Jag? Or should I do it now before I decide it's a terrible idea?? I've seen a few facelifted ones in my budget, just also wonder if high miles should put me off. I did test drive an XJ 3.0 S/C last year and it was a bit rough (and massive) but was lovely really hence why I've been looking at the XE or XF with the same engine.
Would love to see what PH thinks and indeed if there's anything I've missed!
Cheers
I recently needed a new car and the XF and XFR were in the running. I discounted it because I didn't like the drive and the interior and infotainment were dated until the update in 2016. I ended up with a BMW 640d and I love it. Great looking in 2 or 4 door format, luxury even without all the options, and the 3 litre straight 6 is very fast for a diesel and good economy too. Everytime I put it in sports mode and put my foot down it makes me grin like a maniac!The Volvo is another story - I hate it, it really isn't a pleasant drive at all, no power, basically it's got to go. The thing is, what to replace it with. Because I do so few miles, the price of petrol (at the moment at least) doesn't really bother me so I'm considering a V8. And I keep coming back to the Jaguar XFR - can they be beaten for the money? Budget is up to 20K but under 15K would be better, mainly because it wouldn't be used enough to justify the outlay. To give you some ideas, this is a short list of what I've considered so far. Some were probably on there when I was considering chopping in the Z4 so they may be out of budget unless I change my mind.
Jag XE-S, XF-S, XFR
Alfa Giulia Veloce
BMW M140i - or any B58 tbh......540i would be my ideal one car solution but they're ~25K ish
Audi S4/5 Sportback
Golf GTI or R (if it's an R, I'd ideally have the estate)
Seat Leon Cupra 300 (again - it would have to be the estate)
Cayenne GTS (JayEmm's fault)
Merc CL500 (ZX10...
)I need 4+ seats, a usable boot, rear doors are preferable. Wafty would be good but as you can see from the list I'm open to ideas.
Am I mad for considering a 10-15 year old Jag? Or should I do it now before I decide it's a terrible idea?? I've seen a few facelifted ones in my budget, just also wonder if high miles should put me off. I did test drive an XJ 3.0 S/C last year and it was a bit rough (and massive) but was lovely really hence why I've been looking at the XE or XF with the same engine.
Would love to see what PH thinks and indeed if there's anything I've missed!
Cheers
Edited by ajguk on Sunday 21st May 21:48
GeniusOfLove said:
I believe it's fairly common to put in an oil pump on the AJDV6 when you change the belt, whether this is due to folklore more than sound reasoning I don't know but the part is £150 inc VAT for an OE one so why not chuck one in when it's in bits.
There is a lot of internet huff-puffery about this engine, and I've seen a couple with snapped cranks in LRs, but it's very common to see moon mileage XFs and X351 XJs with it and not that many non runners. I halved the oil change intervals on mine to avoid oil dilution issues, common to all DPF equipped diesels, and an oil change in is a 15 minute job with the helpful extraction point and top mounted filter.
My brother has had this engine in a few vehicles, and had a few dock yard jobs with them, and seems to think that it’s all about dilution of oil and silly service intervals.There is a lot of internet huff-puffery about this engine, and I've seen a couple with snapped cranks in LRs, but it's very common to see moon mileage XFs and X351 XJs with it and not that many non runners. I halved the oil change intervals on mine to avoid oil dilution issues, common to all DPF equipped diesels, and an oil change in is a 15 minute job with the helpful extraction point and top mounted filter.
Mr Whippy said:
My brother has had this engine in a few vehicles, and had a few dock yard jobs with them, and seems to think that it’s all about dilution of oil and silly service intervals.
He's not wrong. From what I've been able to gather, it's mostly due to people buying a diesel when the use case would have been better for a petrol, consequently just pottering to the shops and turning the car off mid-cycle on the DPF regeneration, which leads to fuel in the oil, which dilutes it, and then eventually leads to premature wear from lack of lubrication.If you use the AJDV6 for what it was designed, it seems to be a very potent and frugal engine. You just have to be realistic about how many miles you're going to do and save yourself the agony of killing it off with short drives.
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