Estate vs SUV

[Still Mulling]

ZX10R NIN said:

Peugeots and Ds7s

Interesting shout. Will need to try the I-cockpit layout to see if it works for me. Supposedly also a much more reliable family of vehicles these days, particularly Citroëns.

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stevemcs said:

New model Focus Active, slightly higher than the normal estate, no powershift box and similar in size to the Octavia.

Or, subaru Outback, again slightly higher but its as big as a Mondeo

Focus too small. Have considered a Subaru, but look thirsty.

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ChocolateFrog said:

The cool ones are the Japanese ones.

Nissan Elgrand, Honda Stepwgn and Toyota Alphard/Vellfire.

They do some very high end versions, everything from 4 to 8 seats.

I love the look of some of these, but I don’t have the kahunas needed to find/wait for parts in case of reliability issues. After the last couple of years, I just want an easy ownership experience next.

[Silvanus]

ChocolateFrog said:

Still Mulling said:

Silvanus said:

How about a brand new Dacia Jogger, part estate, SUV and MPV. Has very good reviews in the motoring press and from owners.

Possible, although I’m worried about build quality. I’ve read of issues with rust, and poor dealership service.

The dealers are indeed rubbish, unfortunately.

No rust on my Duster 18 months in as you'd expect. Whether that translates to Jogger's I'm not sure.

I think dealers can be hit and miss with any brand. My Dacia hasn't had any rust or reliability issues, far from it. Looking to replace a bunch of Mitsubishi's for Duster vans where I work.

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Still Mulling said:

ZX10R NIN said:

Peugeots and Ds7s

Interesting shout. Will need to try the I-cockpit layout to see if it works for me. Supposedly also a much more reliable family of vehicles these days, particularly Citroëns.

Had a look, and now wondering whether previous gen 3008s might be large enough. Might go and try one on for size this weekend.

ETA: also surprisingly economical for an SUV due to being a 1.2, but I’d need to check that it pulls out of junctions smartly enough.

Edited by Still Mulling on Friday 25th August 22:55

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Silvanus said:

I think dealers can be hit and miss with any brand. My Dacia hasn't had any rust or reliability issues, far from it. Looking to replace a bunch of Mitsubishi's for Duster vans where I work.

Thank you, good to know.

[jamesbilluk]

I can highly recommend an iPace, but like you said, would have to have a warranty.

Very practical inside, very comfortable, and cheap to run. Also, being an EV, the use of space is great, especially in the rear, with the lack of transmission tunnel, same with the front too.

The last decent sized estate I had was a c7 RS6, I find the Jag just as good space wise, and comfortable as well (my iPace has the air suspension)

Edited by jamesbilluk on Friday 25th August 22:43

[OnionBhaji99]

Still Mulling said:

OnionBhaji99 said:

We have two Tiguans (MK1.5 and MK2) both 2.0l diesels with 4 Motion and a BMW 5 series estate 530d F11. We also have access to a new shape Q7.

There is more space for all passengers (particularly rear middle seat) in the SUVs. In terms of boot space, Q7 is the largest by far followed by the 5 series. Tiguan is smallest boot by far.

Fuel consumption is less in the Tiguans than the BMW. BMW 45mpg and Tiguans 38mpg. However, they have been solid cars.

Best family car out of the lot of them is the Q7. Then it's a toss up between the Tiguans and the 5 series depending on whether or not you need the boot space.

Thanks. Tiguans didn’t have the rear leg room once I was in position, sadly. Same for the 5-series.

Q7 could be an option, but probably out of price range for my mileage (50k) and age (2016 on) considerations.

Agreed, Tiguan and ,5 series both have very little room in the rear. How about the touareg? Please update the thread with whatever you decide on and why. We are starting to think about the next family car as we are outgrowing ours.

[bingobangobongo]

Out of curiosity why is a warranty needed on the ipace?

[Fiisch]

Still Mulling said:

Thanks Fiisch! Good to read you have a good experience with the Superb.

I'd love the lemony-lime, but it's only on the Sportline trim. This has rubber-band tyres, which both the wife and I are fed up of due to potholes mullering our wheels and suspension. Now I just want my arse cossetted and wallet un-battered during road driving! I'll save hooning for the track .

Skoda used the term "Sportline" very loosely on the Superb - it's very wallowy (unfortunately), we live in rural Bucks potholed by HS2 and so far so good....

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OnionBhaji99 said:

Agreed, Tiguan and ,5 series both have very little room in the rear. How about the touareg? Please update the thread with whatever you decide on and why. We are starting to think about the next family car as we are outgrowing ours.

Touareg is another that suffers on economy due to being a comparative brick, sadly.

I shall be sure to update. My work have hinted I could be eligible for a company car, so I need to press them on that and crunch some numbers.

[Fiisch]

Silvanus said:

How about a brand new Dacia Jogger, part estate, SUV and MPV. Has very good reviews in the motoring press and from owners.

A friend has just bought one of these to ferry his two one year old twins - after the ribbing on our Watsapp Group, having seen it in the flesh I was very very impressed. Looks a lovely thing in the flesh, and I suspect badge snobbery will keep it reasonably unique....

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jamesbilluk said:

I can highly recommend an iPace, but like you said, would have to have a warranty.

Very practical inside, very comfortable, and cheap to run. Also, being an EV, the use of space is great, especially in the rear, with the lack of transmission tunnel, same with the front too.

The last decent sized estate I had was a c7 RS6, I find the Jag just as good space wise, and comfortable as well (my iPace has the air suspension)

Edited by jamesbilluk on Friday 25th August 22:43

Indeed, I’ve read your thread and many others (including TheDeuces) repeated praises of the vehicle. S spec only one closing on my price range, but I can probably live with that so long as a few choice options are on it. Higher than ly have budget for still, but offset by fuel savings over expected ownership period.

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bingobangobongo said:

Out of curiosity why is a warranty needed on the ipace?

Sadly, many documented quality issues.

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Fiisch said:

A friend has just bought one of these to ferry his two one year old twins - after the ribbing on our Watsapp Group, having seen it in the flesh I was very very impressed. Looks a lovely thing in the flesh, and I suspect badge snobbery will keep it reasonably unique....

Duly noted

[jamesbilluk]

I think they can have the potential to cost a lot, whilst mine has been great, it’s had a faulty power distribution module, and it’s going to the main dealer to investigate a bad cell in the main battery, this was after the recent recall..

On the Facebook owners group, some folk have problems with windscreen delaminating, or leaks from the front boot (mine hasn’t had these) also most of this could have already been sorted on second hand ones though.


Edit (just replying to the warranty query and realised there were more posts in the process )

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Fiisch said:

Skoda used the term "Sportline" very loosely on the Superb - it's very wallowy (unfortunately), we live in rural Bucks potholed by HS2 and so far so good....

So the suspension remains “unsportified”? If it’s just thinner tyres then perhaps it’d be OK. My Octavia is on 18s, 225/40.

[jamesbilluk]

Still Mulling said:

Indeed, I’ve read your thread and many others (including TheDeuces) repeated praises of the vehicle. S spec only one closing on my price range, but I can probably live with that so long as a few choice options are on it. Higher than ly have budget for still, but offset by fuel savings over expected ownership period.

S is still a great spec, I’ve never found my self really wanting some thing from the SE or HSE. The seats although not leather, are very hard wearing, and comfy too.

You may well find an S with air suspension, as it was an option, the panoramic roof is a nice option too.

The standard springs are great too, and very well judged.

It is very cheap to run, I’m on OVO charge anytime, and can charge it for £9, and that will take it over 200 miles. With fantastic performance.

[Evanivitch]

Still Mulling said:

If I can get one new through work, possibly. The mk1s are too small, but the newer model has much thinner front seats and much better rear legroom. Would just need to check the boot size to see if it’s also improved vs the mk1.

I'm not certain of the data, but MK1 is 37inch, mk2 is 39inch rear legroom.

Which is more or equal to the iPace (35), A6 (37), V90 (35), Passat (39).

https://www.autopadre.com/legroom/kia-niro

[Fiisch]

Still Mulling said:

So the suspension remains “unsportified”? If it’s just thinner tyres then perhaps it’d be OK. My Octavia is on 18s, 225/40.

Unfortunately so - my main gripe with the Superb is that it's not a car to fling down a backroad when the mood takes you! Sportline just refers to the trim/bodykit, but suspension-wise I believe it is the same...