What's holding, dropping or rising?

[soupdragon1]

Sheepshanks said:

South tdf said:

They seem to have stabilised or even gone up in price a bit this year or we got lucky when we purchased a 69 reg from VW dealers in May for my SIL to use and paid under £13,000

Apparently it has the optional heat pump which is a big thing on these. In a full charge it shows 120 miles but the range is probably closer to 80.

I was chewing the fat with a small garage owner and said e-Golf would suit a lot of people rather than the weird stuff VW has now, He took me to the next door unit and there was his e-Golf on charge! I didn't realise the range was that low though - it must be best part of 40 miles to his house so sounds like he'd be pushing it (possibly literally!) on the round trip.

The VW stuff isn't weird at all, its pretty good. I've 2 EV's in the driveway, a 24kwh Nissan Leaf and a 58kwh ID3. The low range EV's are spot on but you really have to be dialled in to its state of charge and plan ahead a bit more, whereas with something higher range, not so much. I drove a Leaf for 2 years and managed fine but there is a learning curve and adaption that comes with it. So when we say 'it would suite a lot of people, there's a little asterix next to that statement that also means they need to learn new things and change their driving behaviour.

Jump into a newer EV with bigger range, the change from ICE to EV becomes a lot easier. But despite the so called 'weirdness' of the new VW EV's, I can tell you that they are miles ahead of the Golf EV. The onboard tech is miles ahead, the powertrain is streets ahead and with the rear wheel drive, the driving dynamics are so much better.

With that said, there is a big gulf in price and if someone could make a Golf EV work for them, you're going to save quite a bit of money compared to buying an ID3, eg, £13k v £20k for a 2020 model. So the ID3 is over 50% more expensive than the same age Golf EV. If you can make it work, the Golf EV is good value.

[EC2]

MrSpanky49 said:

Yikes.

Only the 40 which is RWD. The list prices are just nonsense. Even with the massive discount at £60k it is still £10k+ overpriced IMHO.

[Jiebo]

2019 Model 3 for £17.5k.

A bit leggy at at 75k, but nothing crazy. Wont be long until they hit 15k, at which point they are a strong buy.

https://www.v12sportsandclassics.co.uk/used-car-de...

[RayDonovan]

Jiebo said:

2019 Model 3 for £17.5k.

A bit leggy at at 75k, but nothing crazy. Wont be long until they hit 15k, at which point they are a strong buy.

https://www.v12sportsandclassics.co.uk/used-car-de...

I'm waiting for a 21 model year long range model for around £20k when I opt out of the company car scheme. Loads coming off lease (7k) in 2024 so hopefully prices will depress a little..

£17.5k is pretty decent for any Model 3 under 100k..

[ABMA]

RayDonovan said:

Jiebo said:

2019 Model 3 for £17.5k.

A bit leggy at at 75k, but nothing crazy. Wont be long until they hit 15k, at which point they are a strong buy.

https://www.v12sportsandclassics.co.uk/used-car-de...

I'm waiting for a 21 model year long range model for around £20k when I opt out of the company car scheme. Loads coming off lease (7k) in 2024 so hopefully prices will depress a little..

£17.5k is pretty decent for any Model 3 under 100k..

I did consider a used Model 3 long range, but how reliable are the batteries?

[RayDonovan]

ABMA said:

RayDonovan said:

Jiebo said:

2019 Model 3 for £17.5k.

A bit leggy at at 75k, but nothing crazy. Wont be long until they hit 15k, at which point they are a strong buy.

https://www.v12sportsandclassics.co.uk/used-car-de...

I'm waiting for a 21 model year long range model for around £20k when I opt out of the company car scheme. Loads coming off lease (7k) in 2024 so hopefully prices will depress a little..

£17.5k is pretty decent for any Model 3 under 100k..

I did consider a used Model 3 long range, but how reliable are the batteries?

LR battery warranty is 8 years / 120k. Not sure on reliability tbh

[SFTWend]

So how much longer can the Porsche 991 S keep holding its price for?

I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.

Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.

[wyson]

ABMA said:

I did consider a used Model 3 long range, but how reliable are the batteries?

How long is a piece of string? I've been following Bjorn Nyland, on YouTube. Of some of older Tesla's he reviews, a Model S had very little degradation after 10 years, a Model 3 had very serious degradation in a much shorter time frame because it was constantly supercharged. So it depends on how the car / battery was charged and used.

[AlexNJ89]

SFTWend said:

So how much longer can the Porsche 991 S keep holding its price for?

I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.

Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.

Been wondering this myself. I like the idea of an N/A engine even if it is the unpopular electric steering. But the I feel the 992, 991.2 and 991 price are all bunched up at the moment and the 991.1 needs to head downwards. I wonder if it's because the 991.1 sellers are less likely to be financed so less pushed to sell.

[SFTWend]

AlexNJ89 said:

Been wondering this myself. I like the idea of an N/A engine even if it is the unpopular electric steering. But the I feel the 992, 991.2 and 991 price are all bunched up at the moment and the 991.1 needs to head downwards. I wonder if it's because the 991.1 sellers are less likely to be financed so less pushed to sell.

I suspect you might be spot on. Much of the dealer stock is possibly on SOR, so private owners dictating prices.

[SFTWend]

Having knowingly bought our family car near the peak last August, I've been waiting the the alleged crash to play out before buying my sports/GT car.

Looking at the other thread, I appear to be one of many wanting an F Type, in my case the full fat R. I've seen a couple of early (2014) low mileage cars sold by main dealers for c.£30k so far this year, which is a drop from mid 30's last summer. But to my mind £30k for a 10 year old Jag is still OTT. The facelift P450 seems to be taking a bigger hit, but there are very few 575s on the market.

A 2021 Mustang Mach 1 starts at £45k, which is only 20 less than new. 4/5 year old Bullitt's are still around £40k.

See above re 911s.

I've read lots of good things about M2's, but they just don't do it for me. I want the car to feel good around me when going slowly, so that every journey feels a bit special.

Any suggestions on what has taken a bigger hit and closer to bottoming out?

[stanlow45]

SFTWend said:

Having knowingly bought our family car near the peak last August, I've been waiting the the alleged crash to play out before buying my sports/GT car.

Looking at the other thread, I appear to be one of many wanting an F Type, in my case the full fat R. I've seen a couple of early (2014) low mileage cars sold by main dealers for c.£30k so far this year, which is a drop from mid 30's last summer. But to my mind £30k for a 10 year old Jag is still OTT. The facelift P450 seems to be taking a bigger hit, but there are very few 575s on the market.

A 2021 Mustang Mach 1 starts at £45k, which is only 20 less than new. 4/5 year old Bullitt's are still around £40k.

See above re 911s.

I've read lots of good things about M2's, but they just don't do it for me. I want the car to feel good around me when going slowly, so that every journey feels a bit special.

Any suggestions on what has taken a bigger hit and closer to bottoming out?

Was tempted by this one earlier, but am really after a P450:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312024...

I do think they have further to fall. (imo etc)

[JaredVannett]

Some sod sniped an overpriced Audi RS (ideal spec) I had been waiting patiently for months to drop a few k... which it eventually did!

To that sod - "I hope you wake up tomorrow with one million stinging ants in your pants!"

[Sukh13]

AlexNJ89 said:

Been wondering this myself. I like the idea of an N/A engine even if it is the unpopular electric steering. But the I feel the 992, 991.2 and 991 price are all bunched up at the moment and the 991.1 needs to head downwards. I wonder if it's because the 991.1 sellers are less likely to be financed so less pushed to sell.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401095379615

This looks good value.

[ABMA]

SFTWend said:

Having knowingly bought our family car near the peak last August, I've been waiting the the alleged crash to play out before buying my sports/GT car.

Looking at the other thread, I appear to be one of many wanting an F Type, in my case the full fat R. I've seen a couple of early (2014) low mileage cars sold by main dealers for c.£30k so far this year, which is a drop from mid 30's last summer. But to my mind £30k for a 10 year old Jag is still OTT. The facelift P450 seems to be taking a bigger hit, but there are very few 575s on the market.

A 2021 Mustang Mach 1 starts at £45k, which is only 20 less than new. 4/5 year old Bullitt's are still around £40k.

See above re 911s.

I've read lots of good things about M2's, but they just don't do it for me. I want the car to feel good around me when going slowly, so that every journey feels a bit special.

Any suggestions on what has taken a bigger hit and closer to bottoming out?

The Mercedes SL R231 facelift (2016 onwards) are now sub £30k with some leggy ones into mid 20s. I test drove one last year and even the SL400 (which is the base one) was fun to drive.

[ABMA]

JaredVannett said:

Some sod sniped an overpriced Audi RS (ideal spec) I had been waiting patiently for months to drop a few k... which it eventually did!

To that sod - "I hope you wake up tomorrow with one million stinging ants in your pants!"

I know that feeling

[ABMA]

wyson said:

ABMA said:

I did consider a used Model 3 long range, but how reliable are the batteries?

How long is a piece of string? I've been following Bjorn Nyland, on YouTube. Of some of older Tesla's he reviews, a Model S had very little degradation after 10 years, a Model 3 had very serious degradation in a much shorter time frame because it was constantly supercharged. So it depends on how the car / battery was charged and used.

This is the problem with a used electric (also with ICE) cars; one just doesn’t know how the battery was used/ charged. And the replacement batteries are very dear.

[SFTWend]

stanlow45 said:

Was tempted by this one earlier, but am really after a P450:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312024...

I do think they have further to fall. (imo etc)

I'd spotted that one. Pics suggest one of the arch liners has come adrift; poor build quality or been in a shunt? I can see it being down to 50 next month.

Keep sharing!

[cerb4.5lee]

SFTWend said:

I've read lots of good things about M2's, but they just don't do it for me. I want the car to feel good around me when going slowly, so that every journey feels a bit special.

It is quite difficult to find a car like that I think. The Cerbera I had was great at that I thought, and I liked liked that as much at 30mph as I did at 130mph for example.

The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.

The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.

[Mr Tidy]

That's funny Lee because my Z4M gives me that special feeling at any speed. Maybe the after-market (as in louder) back-boxes make a difference?

My first Capri 2.8 Injection did the same, but probably because back in the 80s it was the newest and most expensive car I'd had by some way. And it sounded quite good too!