What's holding, dropping or rising?
Discussion
cerb4.5lee said:
It is quite difficult to find a car like that I think. The Cerbera I had was great at that I thought, and I liked liked that as much at 30mph as I did at 130mph for example.
The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
I agree. My old Griff did it for me, but then it had to feel good slow because I was too scared to go very fast in it!The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
For me it's a combination of looks, interior ambiance and most importantly the noise it makes. I'll always be smiling with a V8 rumbling away.
SFTWend said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It is quite difficult to find a car like that I think. The Cerbera I had was great at that I thought, and I liked liked that as much at 30mph as I did at 130mph for example.
The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
I agree. My old Griff did it for me, but then it had to feel good slow because I was too scared to go very fast in it!The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
For me it's a combination of looks, interior ambiance and most importantly the noise it makes. I'll always be smiling with a V8 rumbling away.
tight fart said:
cayman-black said:
This is now the big problem trying to sell a car , folk put the car in wbac and think that's what they will pay which is just ridiculous.
True but the trade use it as a guide as well, you don’t hear of Glass’s guide now. Mr Tidy said:
That's funny Lee because my Z4M gives me that special feeling at any speed. Maybe the after-market (as in louder) back-boxes make a difference?
My first Capri 2.8 Injection did the same, but probably because back in the 80s it was the newest and most expensive car I'd had by some way. And it sounded quite good too!
Exhausts do make a massive difference as you say Mr Tidy. My first Capri 2.8 Injection did the same, but probably because back in the 80s it was the newest and most expensive car I'd had by some way. And it sounded quite good too!
As you know, I've always wanted a V6 Capri of some description too for sure.
Caddyshack said:
tight fart said:
cayman-black said:
This is now the big problem trying to sell a car , folk put the car in wbac and think that's what they will pay which is just ridiculous.
True but the trade use it as a guide as well, you don’t hear of Glass’s guide now. If i was still trading for any given prospective trade in i'd be getting a CAP Clean quote and a WBAC quote and offering them whichever is lower and take it from there.
SFTWend said:
So how much longer can the Porsche 991 S keep holding its price for?
I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.
Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.
It's scary because in my head a 10 yesr off 911 bags you an early 997. I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.
Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.
My head is very out of date.
Wilmslowboy said:
My BMW hybrid just increased on WBAC, and motorway by £1,100 in the last week, halved the losses over that past 3 months. 
I also noticed that the cheapest (similar age, spec car) on Autotrader is now £38k.
Might be time to list it on AT and let the good and great bag a bargain.
Yes this seems to be across the market, prices bottomed out in late Dec. Retail prices remain fairly flat since the massive correction in Q4 last year, I've not seen any increases in the 10-20k bracket.I also noticed that the cheapest (similar age, spec car) on Autotrader is now £38k.
Might be time to list it on AT and let the good and great bag a bargain.
The below 10k market is still comically expensive, 12 year old tat selling for £7-8k, while 3 year old stuff selling for £12k. Makes zero logical sense.
SFTWend said:
So how much longer can the Porsche 991 S keep holding its price for?
I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.
Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.
Probably longer than prospective buyers think it will. Consider that the 991.1 S is the last NA variant ever for the 2S design, the engine is far more solid than 997 era, the design is much better than the 996 era and the interior configuration is that happy medium between modern and analogue feeling, and very easy to live with, and of course ULEZ friendly. The 991 package was a real sweet spot for Porsche and will continue to be popular. I'm not saying we've reached a floor but the value proposition is much stronger than the previous iterations were at this age.I appreciate these cars traditionally hold their value, but a ten year old 991 S is still in the £50 to £60k range. The base price new in 2016 was only £85k for the .2 S.
Plenty for sale and specialists are still turning over stick, albeit slowly.
shiversaint said:
Probably longer than prospective buyers think it will. Consider that the 991.1 S is the last NA variant ever for the 2S design, the engine is far more solid than 997 era, the design is much better than the 996 era and the interior configuration is that happy medium between modern and analogue feeling, and very easy to live with, and of course ULEZ friendly. The 991 package was a real sweet spot for Porsche and will continue to be popular. I'm not saying we've reached a floor but the value proposition is much stronger than the previous iterations were at this age.
I've thought this a lot recently. It's the electric steering that people hated so much on these cars.However, I've driven a 981 Cayman and a Panamera with that first gen electric steering and thought it was just fine.
Auto810graphy said:
Lots of newer commercials are getting hammered in the trade guides at the moment and this is starting to reflect on retail prices.
The one to watch will be Sprinters as all the ex Amazon ones are entering the trade market and they will bring the prices down
The one to watch will be Sprinters as all the ex Amazon ones are entering the trade market and they will bring the prices down
I'm on the look out for a van this year (size down from a Sprinter though).
AlexNJ89 said:
I've thought this a lot recently. It's the electric steering that people hated so much on these cars.
However, I've driven a 981 Cayman and a Panamera with that first gen electric steering and thought it was just fine.
Agreed, there's little to hate about it. It may not have quite the same feel as before but it's more that it's different rather than bad IMO.However, I've driven a 981 Cayman and a Panamera with that first gen electric steering and thought it was just fine.
SFTWend said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It is quite difficult to find a car like that I think. The Cerbera I had was great at that I thought, and I liked liked that as much at 30mph as I did at 130mph for example.
The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
I agree. My old Griff did it for me, but then it had to feel good slow because I was too scared to go very fast in it!The 370Z Roadster is quite good at it, but that is mainly because the exhaust is so loud, so listening to that puts a smile on my face even going slow. It having only 2 seats adds something for me as well.
The Caterham feels special at pretty much any speed for obvious reasons. However they are the only cars that have ticked the feeling special box for most of the time though for me.
For me it's a combination of looks, interior ambiance and most importantly the noise it makes. I'll always be smiling with a V8 rumbling away.
The E500 is faster more efficient & more modern but I only use it for long runs, the MV is a great bike not as polsihed as the rest but more special.
Auto810graphy said:
Lots of newer commercials are getting hammered in the trade guides at the moment and this is starting to reflect on retail prices.
The one to watch will be Sprinters as all the ex Amazon ones are entering the trade market and they will bring the prices down
Where would these sprinters typically be sold? Via any old dealers who get from auction or one or two places in particular? ThxThe one to watch will be Sprinters as all the ex Amazon ones are entering the trade market and they will bring the prices down
weeve said:
Where would these sprinters typically be sold? Via any old dealers who get from auction or one or two places in particular? Thx
They will get spread over most mainstream trade auctions so anyone can buy them to sell on.Most of the initial vehicles I have seen the past few months are the non runners flood damaged, wrong fuel etc.
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