head gasket failure prompts winter rebuild
Discussion
When I had my engine rebuild done I went through a similar situation, short version - local builder to me has 30 years experience doing race engines, was very busy and managed to put my engine (parts supplied by mountune) back together wrong, it wouldnt start, timing cog on crank was wrong, he didn't torque arp head bolts up properly or evenly and found dirt under cam covers when I took the car elsewhere to investigate. He claimed it was done right and by the book but overnight guilt got the better of him and he refunded me in full.
Hope you get an answer to this problem, weather it's the gasket or incorrect torque settings.
Hope you get an answer to this problem, weather it's the gasket or incorrect torque settings.
Edited by Hollowpockets on Monday 21st November 23:22
Mike Tuckwood said:
We don't keep them on the shelf because we don't need to. Main dealer is either next day or 2 day from stock and when we have one to do, it takes longer than that to get the car in a position where a new head gasket is needed.
We have never seen a blue gasket as shown before, on any car to the best of our recollection.
James, I'll gladly look through all the pictures again tomorrow but I think you have all I have. I don't expect we may have anticipated this particular scenario when taking them though?
As discussed earlier, the colour of the gasket doesn't mean a whole lot, and may have been a correct old stock one from somewhere (other than here as best we can tell). It doesn't point towards the failure cause though unless for some reason it is a "wrong gasket"?
Mike.
Mike,We have never seen a blue gasket as shown before, on any car to the best of our recollection.
James, I'll gladly look through all the pictures again tomorrow but I think you have all I have. I don't expect we may have anticipated this particular scenario when taking them though?
As discussed earlier, the colour of the gasket doesn't mean a whole lot, and may have been a correct old stock one from somewhere (other than here as best we can tell). It doesn't point towards the failure cause though unless for some reason it is a "wrong gasket"?
Mike.
Understand you wouldn't keep them on the shelf, just looking for a plausible explanation.
Worth a quick look in your photos, the latest photos I grabbed off you were before the job was completed. I can see why you wouldn't specifically take photos of this.
Indeed, the colour of the gasket MAY be meaningless. Also, the gasket material is only one possible cause of the head gasket failure and there is a precedent for #05 cylinder failing. The worrying thing really is the fact that everyone with experience agrees the gasket is substandard regardless of its origins! Yet it was still fitted to the car!!
mat7w said:
Good evening James,
As you know, your car sat in my workshop while Dave was away, and once we were both free made a list of faults that we visually found on the car. To my recollection this was all for a minimal fee as we were just trying to help you in the right direction, and finally after Many months actually have a finished car back. If I had have got bored at some point (and that happens regularly) taking your head off, fitting a new gasket, and re-fitting FOC, would unfortunately not be at the top of my things to do. (although would have put a nice twist on this story.
Where is Holmes when you need him?
Matt
Matt,As you know, your car sat in my workshop while Dave was away, and once we were both free made a list of faults that we visually found on the car. To my recollection this was all for a minimal fee as we were just trying to help you in the right direction, and finally after Many months actually have a finished car back. If I had have got bored at some point (and that happens regularly) taking your head off, fitting a new gasket, and re-fitting FOC, would unfortunately not be at the top of my things to do. (although would have put a nice twist on this story.
Where is Holmes when you need him?
Matt
Just seen your post, cleared up there then.
Although you might not remember, you didn't actually charge me anything for checking the car over (just collection of the car from Trevor jasper) as you took pity on my situation!
James
JulesBliss said:
So at the moment its between Matt's dog and the factory cat.
All joking aside. Its clear that the garage that did the rebuild put the wrong gasket in. They should really rectify it for you FOC
Other than the fact that the garage that did the rebuild put a pair of Ford Genuine head gaskets in and has the receipts showing the correct part nubers and point of supply?All joking aside. Its clear that the garage that did the rebuild put the wrong gasket in. They should really rectify it for you FOC
Mike.
Mike Tuckwood said:
Other than the fact that the garage that did the rebuild put a pair of Ford Genuine head gaskets in and has the receipts showing the correct part nubers and point of supply?
Mike.
A garage that works on Nobles proving that they purchased a set of Gaskets doesn't prove the gaskets were fitted to any particular engine.Mike.
TuxMan said:
The problem is Mike nobody else has worked on the car !!! So the logical conclusion is that you must have fitted the different coloured gaskets .
It's rather odd though isn't it, in that I've just referred James to pic's we took during the build, which show there to be a black head gasket on there, as per the invoiced items we bought to do it with? Strange, but nonetheless true? A mystery indeed?And if you follow that through, then logically one might conclude somebody must have? (Or that our memories of doing it are wrong, and the pic's have been fabricated in advance)?
Mike.
Edited by Mike Tuckwood on Tuesday 22 November 16:33
Mike Tuckwood said:
TuxMan said:
The problem is Mike nobody else has worked on the car !!! So the logical conclusion is that you must have fitted the different coloured gaskets .
It's rather odd though isn't it, in that I've just referred James to pic's we took during the build, which show there to be a black head gasket on there, as per the invoiced items we bought to do it with? Strange, but nonetheless true? A mystery indeed?And if you follow that through, then logically one might conclude somebody must have? (Or that our memories of doing it are wrong, and the pic's have been fabricated in advance)?
Mike.
Edited by Mike Tuckwood on Tuesday 22 November 16:33
Mike Tuckwood said:
It's rather odd though isn't it, in that I've just referred James to pic's we took during the build, which show there to be a black head gasket on there, as per the invoiced items we bought to do it with? Strange, but nonetheless true? A mystery indeed?
And if you follow that through, then logically one might conclude somebody must have? (Or that our memories of doing it are wrong, and the pic's have been fabricated in advance)?
Mike.
I've not seen these photos proving a blue gasket was not fitted. However I have seen the invoice which apparently shows the purchase of the two genuine Ford gaskets which were fitted to my car!!!....And if you follow that through, then logically one might conclude somebody must have? (Or that our memories of doing it are wrong, and the pic's have been fabricated in advance)?
Mike.
Edited by Mike Tuckwood on Tuesday 22 November 16:33
The only problem is; the date on the invoices is March 2011??? I trailered the car away from your garage to have the exhaust fabricated by urban racing in Aug 2010 (i.e. with the engine all rebuilt and in place). The first time I attempted to drive the car away from yours was The end of Feb 2011!
????
James,
I didn't have the time to change the head gasket!! It's not a half-hour job
. I did get as far as changing the injectors for you with a brand new set of matched injectors as we agreed. I did look at the plugs, too, if I recall correctly. Then I sorted out the mapping, dynoed it as requested and sent it on up to Jetstream....
So the trail of when the head gaskets were changed goes back before me, I reckon....
YellowShed
I didn't have the time to change the head gasket!! It's not a half-hour job
. I did get as far as changing the injectors for you with a brand new set of matched injectors as we agreed. I did look at the plugs, too, if I recall correctly. Then I sorted out the mapping, dynoed it as requested and sent it on up to Jetstream....So the trail of when the head gaskets were changed goes back before me, I reckon....
YellowShed
YellowShed said:
James,
I didn't have the time to change the head gasket!! It's not a half-hour job. I did get as far as changing the injectors for you with a brand new set of matched injectors as we agreed. I did look at the plugs, too, if I recall correctly. Then I sorted out the mapping, dynoed it as requested and sent it on up to Jetstream....
So the trail of when the head gaskets were changed goes back before me, I reckon....
YellowShed
thanks for confirming what seemed clear to me Trevor...I didn't have the time to change the head gasket!! It's not a half-hour job
. I did get as far as changing the injectors for you with a brand new set of matched injectors as we agreed. I did look at the plugs, too, if I recall correctly. Then I sorted out the mapping, dynoed it as requested and sent it on up to Jetstream....So the trail of when the head gaskets were changed goes back before me, I reckon....
YellowShed
Jamescmr2 said:
I've not seen these photos proving a blue gasket was not fitted. However I have seen the invoice which apparently shows the purchase of the two genuine Ford gaskets which were fitted to my car!!!....
The only problem is; the date on the invoices is March 2011??? I trailered the car away from your garage to have the exhaust fabricated by urban racing in Aug 2010 (i.e. with the engine all rebuilt and in place). The first time I attempted to drive the car away from yours was The end of Feb 2011!
????
the other thing which makes me think the invoices are not for the ones fitted to my car is... the invoice total for both gaskets is £95.79 including VAT. I was charged £126... so they can't be mine, unless a reasonable mark up is over 30%. Also, the VAT on the invoice is 20% and VAT was still 15% when the engine was rebuilt there...The only problem is; the date on the invoices is March 2011??? I trailered the car away from your garage to have the exhaust fabricated by urban racing in Aug 2010 (i.e. with the engine all rebuilt and in place). The first time I attempted to drive the car away from yours was The end of Feb 2011!
????
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