head gasket failure prompts winter rebuild

[andygtt]

30% is good, I found out later that the intercooler I paid 450plus vat for was sold in the US for under $200.... however companies need to make money and its my problem for not shopping around so I never grumbled after all it was still a lot less than the Pro alloy one I bought for previous build lol

[2.5bluenob]

This photo above of "an engine" CLEARLY proves that mike is not responsible.
And it was with out a shadow of doubt - those bd fairies again.

[jdearden]

Surly that's a old gasket too???

[TuxMan]

Hi James , so what you are saying is your invoice from Mike for 2 gen ford head gaskets that has been sent to you to prove they fitted the correct ones is dated some 7 months after your engine was fully built ????
Also how come Trevor had to remapp your engine surely that would have been done as part of your extensive rebuild ??

[Jamescmr2]

TuxMan said:

Hi James , so what you are saying is your invoice from Mike for 2 gen ford head gaskets that has been sent to you to prove they fitted the correct ones is dated some 7 months after your engine was fully built ????
Also how come Trevor had to remapp your engine surely that would have been done as part of your extensive rebuild ??

That seems to be the case. The engine was definitely assembled when I took the car to urban racing Aug last year and the invoice is dated Mar 2011.

I would have thought Trevor would have told you at some point as you seem to be there a lot. Well my car spent a number a sessions on the rolling road at Mikes. While it made good power first time round at 510bhp, unfortunately when I drove away from the garage it began running poorly (misfires etc) not far up the A1. The car was returned and after a number of part were replaced, some unrelated (tappets failed) it was remapped again. Again though on the way from being collected from the train station and driving back to the garage the car began running like sh*t again. I spent the day at the garage helping to diagnose and when the ECU was replaced with a spare it solved the problem.
I took the car away with this spare ECU and planned a return journey to have my ECU refitted and mapped, after it had been checked by MBE. The spare ECU could not be mapped that night as the mapping computer was broken.
I went down a week later to have the spare ECU mapped to my car build, while we waited for mine as it was still at MBE. During the mapping session the car began to misfire and run like crap again. It could not be explained and the car was left at the garage.
That was the end of my pateince so I had the car taken to Trevor. He had it less than half a day and it was re-mapped. From then until the head gasket failure there was no hint of a misfire. Clearly something is missing during the mapping of cars on Mikes dyno! I don't understand what or why. Perhaps Trevor would explain what he did with my car??

Having just typed that on my phone I'm sure it's in another thread somewhere!

James

[TuxMan]

Thanks for the input James , very strange that Mike could not map the car successfully , will have to bow down to Mr Yellowshed for a reason as to why , wonder if anyone else has had the same issues ???
I take it Mike covered the extra cost of Trevor remapping your car ??

[D_G]

TuxMan said:

Thanks for the input James , very strange that Mike could not map the car successfully , will have to bow down to Mr Yellowshed for a reason as to why , wonder if anyone else has had the same issues ???
I take it Mike covered the extra cost of Trevor remapping your car ??

It seems Trevor also fitted injectors which might have been the actual issue. I'm not wanting to join a witch hunt here, constantly slagging off the engine builder doesn't really help and if proven the mistake lies with them I would hope they would stand up and take responsibility. If I was in James' position then I'd be mightly pissed off if they didn't.
It's pretty straightforward to me....the last person to refit that head put the gasket in.

[Jamescmr2]

TuxMan said:

Thanks for the input James , very strange that Mike could not map the car successfully , will have to bow down to Mr Yellowshed for a reason as to why , wonder if anyone else has had the same issues ???
I take it Mike covered the extra cost of Trevor remapping your car ??

To my dismay, as with all of the issues i have had post build, no additional costs have been offered yet!

I am taking matters further so i'd rather not comment on any more detail here. sure you understand.

James

[YellowShed]

D_G said:

It seems Trevor also fitted injectors which might have been the actual issue.

Not quite. I fitted the injectors before getting to the rolling road and the issue was there on the new injectors. I fixed the issue in the mapping.

But hey, what do I know?

YellowShed

[D_G]

YellowShed said:

D_G said:

It seems Trevor also fitted injectors which might have been the actual issue.

Not quite. I fitted the injectors before getting to the rolling road and the issue was there on the new injectors. I fixed the issue in the mapping.

But hey, what do I know?

YellowShed

Ah, I apologise. Misunderstood your post.

Dave

[Metalman]

ECU problems when trying to map a noble and then the car runs like sh*t? Sounds very familiar. If you remember James I did contact you when you were having problems as I'd been through it too, after changing absolutely everything I could think of the only cure was a trip to yellowshed for a new map. the cars not missed a beat since.

[Adrian W]

YellowShed said:

Not quite. I fitted the injectors before getting to the rolling road and the issue was there on the new injectors. I fixed the issue in the mapping.

But hey, what do I know?

YellowShed

You're telling me you can't do a simple job like two head gaskets in half an hour. I thought you are supposed to know your stuff!

seriously, James you must have the patience of a saint.

[Blu3R]

Adrian W said:

seriously, James you must have the patience of a saint.

And he's clearly never owned a Subaru! This is like deja vu from a couple of years ago when on Scoobynet there was a 'slate Mike' month regarding an engine failure.

Edited by Blu3R on Wednesday 23 November 07:33

[andygtt]

ok so it seems i'm not the only customer who left very very unhappy....

On topic ironically I was actually invoiced for head gaskets that I was never actually supplied ... although worse was seeing nearly a grand on an invoice for dyno mapping (being billed for this was never discussed with me) lmao

[funkybmx1]

Im very much liking this thread. I hope all gets resolved for you James. And I belive I met you Andy when you got your engine and dismantle straight away. Shocking really ain't it. Think I met a couple of people at track and road to. That needed trevors assistance after

[mgbond]

On a similar issue and good info for OP.

Since my 2.5 rebuild my head has been lifting or this is what we though (even at low boost).

We tried retorquing the ARP bolts to 90Nm (6Nm more than ARP reomendation, but seems to be the norm on the Noble Heads). This although helped a bit did not solve the issue.

The heads are now off and my Garage seem to belive that the bolts seem to undo without to much trouble and it looks like the gaskets have not been compressed.

Never had an issue before with the std bolts.

Thes bolts were part torqued and then torqued up in a pattern to the 90Nm.

The Std way to do bolts is 40Nm and then go round in a pattern and rotate each bolt 90 deg and then do it again.

Is there a special way of doing these ARP studs or do I have another issue. Head was skimmed on rebuild and there is no signs of any material that might of got caught between the heads. One looked more compressed than the other.

Any thoughts?

Gasket (block face)



Block



Bondy

[Metalman]

funkybmx1 said:

Think I met a couple of people at track and road to. That needed trevors assistance after

That was the evening I met you and Trevor was mapping your car, sounded truly awesome! Still have those turbos all wrapped up waiting for the right car.

[funkybmx1]

U ok Jason. I never wanted to name drop. As well as there is more out there to. Hope all is well mate

[Jamescmr2]

Here are pics of the only markings i can find on the gaskets which were fitted to my car.

the black one here only has a barcode on which i'm guessing would mean something to Ford...




the blue on has these markings on and a symbol which i think stands for Ford Motor Company:

2S7E-6083-CC
C3HO3




Anyone recognise them?

cheers

[Hollowpockets]

Both mine are bar coded...