Engine finally ready for Dyno test

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Hollowpockets said:

Hey Craig,

Any idea how long we might be talking for gears being available for purchase?

Cheers

Graham

Hi Graham, it's not good news, I have just been told today that it will be 6 months before there are ready for sale, im really not happy, but bugger all I can do, they will not let us be the guinea pigs and need to do lots of develment tests. And track tests. Any suggestions are welcom

Craig

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Hollowpockets said:

Well thats odd, how do they intend to test them? Purchase a noble, tune to our levels and track for 6 months over winter?

The only way to properly develope them is to build gears to a spec using existing technology that they think is upto the job with the power we are running. fit to a couple of cars with data logging (ours) and we send them the info to review with real world conditions, i live in a cold climate, you live in a hot climate. After a set number of miles on road /track we send them the box back for inspection. If changes are needed then get it done. We pay something now to cover material costs and the rest once inspection/changes are made. ??????

Or do they just want us to forget the idea and go elsewhere?

I agree completely, it's done my nut in, I was told wks not months.

Speaking again on Monday to see if we can do the testing.

Regarding Quaffe, and others they can do it but at a crazy cost 20k plus.
This seemed to be the best way for cost and time, the others said it could take a year.
The company who are developing it are top of there game, and the cost compared to others is a 1/4 of the price,
Just need to see if I can get them to move a bit faster.

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chuntington101 said:

Sundance, intresting to see that the proally intercooler was used not a larger custom item. Was it sufficent at keeping intake temps down?

We had to strengthen the welds as the boost had blown one of the seems, but apart from that all my temps are ok,

Not driven the car yet with the new system, but we have also added some vents in the floor below the engine 8 in total with little scoops to help air into the engine bay, this will help the IC breath and stay cooler.

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joust said:

Ballpark cost?

Sounds awesome!

Trying not to think about it, def not adding up

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Juno said:

How strange we also have eight holes in the floor with a Gurney and an internal rear diffuser to help suck the air through the engine bay. What Good idea

Now I wonder where that came from

we cut the first 4 vents 2 years ago, we just added 4 more it really ain't rocket science.

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Blu3R said:

Sod the graphs, when do I get a go?!?!

Hi Rob, I should be back in a couple of weeks, so we will have to meet up, you can have a go see what you think.

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Gadgeroonie said:

when do we get to see the graphs ?

His been really busy and not had the time to post them, waiting to see them myself.

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Thanks Terry, For all the hard work and late nights, Really looking forward to having the first road test, graphs don't mean much to me, don't really understand them, I will probably want to fine tune those figs, to maps that will personally suit me.
Can't wait to see what this beast is going to drive like.

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We were holding back the torque on all the maps, the best torque fig was 561ftlb with 703bhp but at this point it kept blowing the spark out, Terry thinks its capable of 720bhp 600ftlb but we need to change the plugs to a new type, can't remember the term he used for the plugs.
We will be booking a day on the rolling road to set the maps to my personal choice, which will be as Andy said keeping the torque higher on certain maps, and reducing it on others, all the maps done so far are the starting points.

It's also a great testament to the engine which was built by Dave Jetstreem, and Mountune who done the final re build with all the new engine upgrades and turbos.
The new work is being done at Bespoke by Skip, for me they are closer, but I am more than happy to have either work on my car as they are both top draw.

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Gadgeroonie said:

Sundance if you wanted a free power run - I can arrange to have your car tested

Hi Gadge, thanks for the offer, where abouts are you?

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Gadgeroonie said:

I have customers up and down the country - but probably easiest to meet you near Heathrow

Ok I will have to speak with Terry and see what his plans are? but I would think it will take most of the day to finish the maps.
I'm not back in the uk for a couple wks so will get back to you, thanks again for the offer.

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Some pics of the engine going back in with all the new bits being fitted.

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GTO600 said:

Looks like gearbox oil cooler.

It's the oil cooler, originally it was mounted at the front, which we thought was to far to work properly, and now doesn't take any space in the tunnel. this is a new type, which is supposed to be a lot more effective.. The gearbox cooler will be mounted in the other side pod.

Skip at Bespoke is doing all the work, and his very good, extremely tidy, and very thorough.

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GTO600 said:

andygtt said:

GTO600 said:

Craig, assume that's a knock sensor to the right of the oil filter, will it work there ?

What do you think of my fuel tank ?

Jag put it in the centre of the v between the heads

That's where mine is

I thought it was the engine bay temp sensor, but I could be wrong.

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GTO600 said:

Craig, assume that's a knock sensor to the right of the oil filter, will it work there ?

What do you think of my fuel tank ?

Looks great, haven't seen anything yet other than photos, Was it your design? Pro Alloy made it for me.

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Adrian W said:

I read that this morning and thought that isolating the right noise and then filtering for individual cylinders from one microphone would be an interesting challenge, but he says he can do it!

Having just read, I'm def no tech, but maybe it's computer processed, so by putting a sensor by each cylinder the programme can learn the freq of the det thus allowing the ecu to be set. Then the ecu has the correct info and can learn from that point. Prob wrong, maybe he does use a mic.

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Adrian W said:

If he could do that successfully he would be a very wealthy man, his detection software would have endless applications in all sorts of industries, Of course it’s a mike, he may call it a piezo transducer but it’s a microphone

He uses Det cans which are like headphones connected to the engine, no mic.

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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

o he plays it music?

It's a mic.

No, he listens to its . since when do you listen through a mic

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Im going to remain confused how aftermarket stuff can be effective but then this is way outside my field of expertise... so i'm going to concentrate my effort on various engine temps and pressures along with wideband (as sundances also does) and make the map slightly safer and thus avoid det altogether.


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Andy don't forget my ecu is not aftermarket, it can't be bought in the shops, the software was written specifically for this car.by Life and AER so apparently has a few secrets they won't provide, it's what gives them the edge in the racing car.

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Adrian W said:

This guy must be a brilliant salesman,

Adrian do yo think I am some kind of mug? I'm just kidding with you regarding mic, they have done an awesome amount of development, and just because you may not understand it, doesn't mean it's just a sales pitch,
I don't spend my money without thought or purpose, and I deaf ain't an easy touch, or gullible , what is it with you folk? It ain't a competition , I'm just trying to achieve what I want nothing more nothing less, if it doesn't come with your approval no prob, if I'm wasting my money, no prob, this is what I enjoy, so this it what I do, if you can't get the logic who cares, me, I just do what I do, if I don't understand but it works happy days. What more can I say. Each to there own.
Now for another large JD and coke.