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tastic. Funny story that fits into this thread. I sold my Modified 951S to an older gentleman. While he was picking up the car we spent 2 hours going over it and I was showing him how to adjust all the different things and change the pads to track pads etc. The entire time I was warning him about how fast the car was and suggesting he take it easy as it would powerslide at 70MPH etc. Long story made short. He got it home, took it off the trailer and crashed it within a mile of his house. Apparently he didn't listen as he slid backwards into a neighbors granite mailbox post. The moral, that car, and Nobles are not beginners models. Take it easy and enjoy until you get used to it.
UFO 2 NOB said:
Dont go giving it large,short shift around 3000-4000rpm and about 1/2 inch gas should do it,will still go like a rocket,if you snap onto boost at these temps the back will have a big wiggle that will require a quick catch.Have fun!!!
Absolutely right. I had a slight sideways moment overtaking the other week. Boost came in just as I was pulling out.
My own fault for accelerating whilst pulling out in these conditions though.
DanH said:
[quote=UFO 2 NOB]Dont go giving it large,short shift around 3000-4000rpm and about 1/2 inch gas should do it,will still go like a rocket,if you snap onto boost at these temps the back will have a big wiggle that will require a quick catch.Have fun!!!
Does a quick catch mean, let off the throttle and counter steer or am I missing something. I had an elise for a year but after todays antics I feel like a novice driver again. Need training like yesterday!!
Also, what exactally is a "short" shift an a pose to a "shift"?
In general don't go letting the gas off suddenly if the back end goes - it'll put weight on the front tyres and make the slide worse. The Noble chassis is very forgiving (not at all like the lift off oversteer you could get with an Elise MK1). Sounds like you should get yourself to Bedford so that you can experiment in safety with the handling.
Short shifting means shifting early, i.e. shift up at 4000rpm rather than 6000-7000rpm as you would do normally.
And don't worry about feeling odd - it's your first day in a car with serious amounts of power and very direct steering - you'll get used to it (i.e. get out there and drive it some more!)
J
Short shifting means shifting early, i.e. shift up at 4000rpm rather than 6000-7000rpm as you would do normally.
And don't worry about feeling odd - it's your first day in a car with serious amounts of power and very direct steering - you'll get used to it (i.e. get out there and drive it some more!)
J
Mr Noble said:
[quote=UFO 2 NOB]Dont go giving it large,short shift around 3000-4000rpm and about 1/2 inch gas should do it,will still go like a rocket,if you snap onto boost at these temps the back will have a big wiggle that will require a quick catch.Have fun!!!
Does a quick catch mean, let off the throttle and counter steer or am I missing something. I had an elise for a year but after todays antics I feel like a novice driver again. Need training like yesterday!!
Also, what exactally is a "short" shift an a pose to a "shift"?
Quick catch is mostly steering input, although depending on circumstance you might want to ease the throttle as well. Depends though because as Justin says it will give you forward weight transfer and may make the back end looser. Most of the times the car will sort itself out anyway, and the fundamental thing to learn about catching a car is that the front wheels want to point themselves in the right direction to catch the car, so as long as you are relaxed on the wheel, you can let the car take the lead on how much lock to apply. Some people even let go of the wheel, but its not a technique I favour as you lose control and even though it has a fair chance of working, you will fish tail without the damping your arms provide to the steering.
Seriously consider a www.carlimits.com day. Its where I've learnt what little I know. Track days are good too, but it really helps to go armed with some knowledge first. Another option is Don Palmer.
joust said:
In general don't go letting the gas off suddenly if the back end goes - it'll put weight on the front tyres and make the slide worse. The Noble chassis is very forgiving (not at all like the lift off oversteer you could get with an Elise MK1). Sounds like you should get yourself to Bedford so that you can experiment in safety with the handling.
Short shifting means shifting early, i.e. shift up at 4000rpm rather than 6000-7000rpm as you would do normally.
And don't worry about feeling odd - it's your first day in a car with serious amounts of power and very direct steering - you'll get used to it (i.e. get out there and drive it some more!)
J
joust said:Greg,If you fancy a steep learing curve i will take you out for a days karting, 125cc,14,500rpm,30hp and only 78kgs,you soon get used to a quick catch,weight transfer and opposite lock and all dealt with a nice touch of throttle balance.Probably going up to wild tracks soon so i will give you a call.The Noble is just like a big kart.Barry
In general don't go letting the gas off suddenly if the back end goes - it'll put weight on the front tyres and make the slide worse. The Noble chassis is very forgiving (not at all like the lift off oversteer you could get with an Elise MK1). Sounds like you should get yourself to Bedford so that you can experiment in safety with the handling.
Short shifting means shifting early, i.e. shift up at 4000rpm rather than 6000-7000rpm as you would do normally.
And don't worry about feeling odd - it's your first day in a car with serious amounts of power and very direct steering - you'll get used to it (i.e. get out there and drive it some more!)
J
Mr Noble said:
Nathan, are you going to show us the CSL on your profile or in real pics?
Are you the chap renowned for taking a decade to post pics up???
In timly fashion
Noise - can't get the full idea as it is limited to 6k rpm when stationary and the noise is better under load
www.justgofaster.com/gallery/gallery/nathan/csl/CSL.wmv
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Ride seems firmer and more fidgetty than standard Noble suspension - IMO only lotus can do the flowing over tarmac thing better than Noble.
Noise is nicer than the Noble, Turbos do nothing to enhance the Noble noise IMO, in sport mode the induction flap opens at 3.5k rpm and it starts to growl through to a proper scream at 8k rpm.
Brakes - Initial bite better (pedal firmer at the top), retartation good, ABS means I feel more comfortable leaning on the brakes on the road. Don't think they'll last as well as the Noble brakes on track - will find out soon.
Turn in - not as sharp as the Noble, adding more negative camber is supposed to make this better, again will have to wait until I'm on track to fully discover what it is like. Don't expect it to match the noble though.
The limit handling will have to wait also, however it is very confidance inspiring so far, it has a tendancy to go sideways under hard power even with DSC on which is most amusing! Feels like you are 1 step further removed from the action in the CSL but still good feedback considering it is a 3 series!
Gearchange - 0.08 seconds for a gearchange is something special, it can heal and toe better than me too
Build quality is better but not as far removed as Noble haters would have you believe, certainly compared to the later Nobles. No squeaks, rattles, nothing.
It can fit 4 people in.
There is a Noble at bedford on the 25th so I can see how they compare then, my Nitroned Noble would certainly walk all over the CSL on track.
>> Edited by m12_nathan on Monday 7th March 11:19
Ride seems firmer and more fidgetty than standard Noble suspension - IMO only lotus can do the flowing over tarmac thing better than Noble.
Noise is nicer than the Noble, Turbos do nothing to enhance the Noble noise IMO, in sport mode the induction flap opens at 3.5k rpm and it starts to growl through to a proper scream at 8k rpm.
Brakes - Initial bite better (pedal firmer at the top), retartation good, ABS means I feel more comfortable leaning on the brakes on the road. Don't think they'll last as well as the Noble brakes on track - will find out soon.
Turn in - not as sharp as the Noble, adding more negative camber is supposed to make this better, again will have to wait until I'm on track to fully discover what it is like. Don't expect it to match the noble though.
The limit handling will have to wait also, however it is very confidance inspiring so far, it has a tendancy to go sideways under hard power even with DSC on which is most amusing! Feels like you are 1 step further removed from the action in the CSL but still good feedback considering it is a 3 series!
Gearchange - 0.08 seconds for a gearchange is something special, it can heal and toe better than me too
Build quality is better but not as far removed as Noble haters would have you believe, certainly compared to the later Nobles. No squeaks, rattles, nothing.
It can fit 4 people in.
There is a Noble at bedford on the 25th so I can see how they compare then, my Nitroned Noble would certainly walk all over the CSL on track.
>> Edited by m12_nathan on Monday 7th March 11:19
Mr Noble said:
Does a quick catch mean, let off the throttle and counter steer or am I missing something. I had an elise for a year but after todays antics I feel like a novice driver again. Need training like yesterday!!
Also, what exactally is a "short" shift an a pose to a "shift"?
Getting out of the throttle pedal may not allways be the best thing to do. Its a magnificent beast but to avoid damaging it, yourself or others I'd recomend some time on an airfield, as others have suggested with Carlimits, Learn about the limits with the freedom of knowing if you exceed them you harm nothing.
Regards
Paul C
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