Tesla Model Y

[soupdragon1]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Could be wishful thinking on my behalf, but is anyone else wondering if the UK delivery timeframes are about to come down? The 'new' shorter range Model Y in China has a 1-4 week estimated delivery time, and I wonder if that will soon translate into the longer range versions?

And potentially more wishful thinking on my part, but I can't help but notice that the UK prices seem a bit more expensive than mainland Europe when adjusting for the exchange rate. Might that suggest a price reduction in the UK could happen later this year?

Prices will certainly come down soon. I wouldn't be buying a Tesla now unless keeping it for a long time, or leasing it.

Residuals will take a hammering soon. Tesla price their cars to try and balance out demand and as capacity increases, they will need increased demand to keep the balance. So unless demand increases at these elevated prices, its almost certain that prices will reduce.

Just look at Europe:

SR/LR

Norway 519990/559990
Germany 53990/56990
France 49990/64990
Netherlands 49990/65990
UK 51990/57990

50k euros for an SR MY is £42.5k when converted. It currently sells for what, £52k here? Thats a potential £10k haircut. Ouch. Ain't no way I would buy a Tesla right now. Give it max 6 months and we'll see price cuts, just like France and Netherlands.

The thing about the SR is that you can charge it to 100% so in real world usage, its just like the LR really, bar the extra motor, but a bit lighter, so maybe better ride and better handling.

[EddieSteadyGo]

soupdragon1 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Could be wishful thinking on my behalf, but is anyone else wondering if the UK delivery timeframes are about to come down? The 'new' shorter range Model Y in China has a 1-4 week estimated delivery time, and I wonder if that will soon translate into the longer range versions?

And potentially more wishful thinking on my part, but I can't help but notice that the UK prices seem a bit more expensive than mainland Europe when adjusting for the exchange rate. Might that suggest a price reduction in the UK could happen later this year?

Prices will certainly come down soon. I wouldn't be buying a Tesla now unless keeping it for a long time, or leasing it.

Residuals will take a hammering soon. Tesla price their cars to try and balance out demand and as capacity increases, they will need increased demand to keep the balance. So unless demand increases at these elevated prices, its almost certain that prices will reduce.

Just look at Europe:

SR/LR

Norway 519990/559990
Germany 53990/56990
France 49990/64990
Netherlands 49990/65990
UK 51990/57990

50k euros for an SR MY is £42.5k when converted. It currently sells for what, £52k here? Thats a potential £10k haircut. Ouch. Ain't no way I would buy a Tesla right now. Give it max 6 months and we'll see price cuts, just like France and Netherlands.

The thing about the SR is that you can charge it to 100% so in real world usage, its just like the LR really, bar the extra motor, but a bit lighter, so maybe better ride and better handling.

Yeah, I do think there could be some adjustments, although I don't expect massive changes. I think the UK pricing of the Model Y Performance is an example which could see a reduction, as the European pricing of that model vs the long range looks much more competitive to me.

Interestingly, I did order a model Y for one of my team today as a company car, and I managed to get a delivery slot of the end of September (although this was a car leased via Arval, so might be their own stock) but it wasn't that hard to find a car.

[JonnyVTEC]

Are the LFP battery’s lighter? I thought another benefit of the simplification was they didn’t need to retune the chassis stuff for the “smaller batteries” as they are similar weight.

[Hans_Gruber]

soupdragon1 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Could be wishful thinking on my behalf, but is anyone else wondering if the UK delivery timeframes are about to come down? The 'new' shorter range Model Y in China has a 1-4 week estimated delivery time, and I wonder if that will soon translate into the longer range versions?

And potentially more wishful thinking on my part, but I can't help but notice that the UK prices seem a bit more expensive than mainland Europe when adjusting for the exchange rate. Might that suggest a price reduction in the UK could happen later this year?

Prices will certainly come down soon. I wouldn't be buying a Tesla now unless keeping it for a long time, or leasing it.

Residuals will take a hammering soon. Tesla price their cars to try and balance out demand and as capacity increases, they will need increased demand to keep the balance. So unless demand increases at these elevated prices, its almost certain that prices will reduce.

Just look at Europe:

SR/LR

Norway 519990/559990
Germany 53990/56990
France 49990/64990
Netherlands 49990/65990
UK 51990/57990

50k euros for an SR MY is £42.5k when converted. It currently sells for what, £52k here? Thats a potential £10k haircut. Ouch. Ain't no way I would buy a Tesla right now. Give it max 6 months and we'll see price cuts, just like France and Netherlands.

The thing about the SR is that you can charge it to 100% so in real world usage, its just like the LR really, bar the extra motor, but a bit lighter, so maybe better ride and better handling.

Supply and demand determines price, and as a manufacturer you can control supply. As Enzo Ferrari famously said “Ferrari will always supply one less car than the market demands”

What I would not buy right now is a 1-2 year old car, many of which right now are the same price as new cars. I can see those taking a huge hit in a year or two.

[ZesPak]

Hans_Gruber said:

What I would not buy right now is a 1-2 year old car, many of which right now are the same price as new cars. I can see those taking a huge hit in a year or two.

The only reason they are is availability.
Friend of mine bought two 1yo ID3s over list because he needed the cars for his employees.
Waiting lists are more than a year in some cases.

[Heres Johnny]

JonnyVTEC said:

Are the LFP battery’s lighter? I thought another benefit of the simplification was they didn’t need to retune the chassis stuff for the “smaller batteries” as they are similar weight.

Can't tell you the density but LFP are physically bigger for the same energy capacity, and my hunch was they are heavier per kwh You can't just look at car weights to tell as the LFP batteries are in single motor cars and the others are dual motor so there's sizeable differences anyway.

[Evanivitch]

JonnyVTEC said:

Are the LFP battery’s lighter? I thought another benefit of the simplification was they didn’t need to retune the chassis stuff for the “smaller batteries” as they are similar weight.

No, LFP batteries are heavier than NMC, but...

LFP Tesla cars are happy to be charged to 100% all the time, and appear to have better longevity.

[annodomini2]

NMC battery packs (including all the structure and cooling etc) are 161Wh/kg

LFP are 140Wh/kg

[JonnyVTEC]

Evanivitch said:

No, LFP batteries are heavier than NMC, but...

LFP Tesla cars are happy to be charged to 100% all the time, and appear to have better longevity.

I meant lighter as the installed lower capacity packs, not the gravimetric efficiency of that chemistry.

Barely 18months in service, how do you conclude the appearance of better longevity?

[Evanivitch]

JonnyVTEC said:

I meant lighter as the installed lower capacity packs, not the gravimetric efficiency of that chemistry.

Barely 18months in service, how do you conclude the appearance of better longevity?

Well firstly LFP isn't Tesla proprietary, it's a widely used chemistry globally for many years, especially in China.

And secondly, Tesla fans love their data. And the initial battery degradation that is seen on all batteries is currently reporting as less on the LFP equipped cars than the NMC cars.

[annodomini2]

JonnyVTEC said:

Evanivitch said:

No, LFP batteries are heavier than NMC, but...

LFP Tesla cars are happy to be charged to 100% all the time, and appear to have better longevity.

I meant lighter as the installed lower capacity packs, not the gravimetric efficiency of that chemistry.

Barely 18months in service, how do you conclude the appearance of better longevity?

LFP can do more cycles, they're about 50% better.

E.g. if an NMC is rated for 20% Deg at 1000 cycles, an LFP would be IRO 1500.

[Hans_Gruber]

Picked up my MYLR yesterday. It’s now only 94 miles old but zero build quality issues, no squeaks or rattles and no panel gap or paint issues.
If you believe some of the popular YouTubers, the model has had “over 30 revisions to the suspension” since inception. Having driven on motorway, A and B roads, in my view the ride quality is the same as my last 2019 E class, which had low profile run flat tyres - sporty but comfortable.
Build quality and ride issues were my main concern but I’m genuinely over the moon with mine.

[PushedDover]

Ours of late (and am sure not exclusive to the MY) has had at occasions a really laggy, non responsive, screen - specifically when trying to swap from each ‘app’ or ‘window’
Lots of software updates were coming to it last week and I was hopeful that would sort it.
Oh well.
Long routing today - Teesport to Stansted. Leave for two days. On to Lowestoft, G Yarmouth and and back up.. let’s see go EV life works that out

[Mr E]

Reset the screen if you have not already tried.
Hold down the left and right scroll wheel click until the system boots

[PushedDover]

Mr E said:

Reset the screen if you have not already tried.
Hold down the left and right scroll wheel click until the system boots

Yup.

Regularly.


And to add to my post above - just checked it as I headed to the treadmill. Stoopid car did not charge last night (12:30 start time to suit Octopus GO) - so no charging at full rate.... Its the equivelant of having to fill up on a Motorway service station. With Super Unleaded.

[Mr E]

The scheduling is surprisingly st.
Intelligent octopus will start/stop charge via the API to match the cheap windows.

I’ve not tried it yet.

[PushedDover]

Mr E said:

The scheduling is surprisingly st.
Intelligent octopus will start/stop charge via the API to match the cheap windows.

I’ve not tried it yet.

TBF - first time I’ve had a problem with scheduled charging.

[Familymad]

Test drove MY LR on Sat. Really impressed having only ever been in a M3P before which was super firm at all times. Build was great and we came away impressed.

Went for a EV6 drive 2hrs later. Marginally better ride but cluttered inside and didn’t feel it was built any better to my eyes and touch. Boot poor.

Popped into BMW and took out an iX 40 M Sport. Quality a big jump up. Ride super smooth and control weighting all felt a big step up. So was the price and sadly the range a big step down. We’ll leave the looks as in some colours it works.

Delivery immediate for 40 but July for 50. Y is less money and more range with the S/C to add value and ease of use.

We’ll order one for next year when our lease is up in June.

[Up_North]

Familymad said:

Test drove MY LR on Sat. Really impressed having only ever been in a M3P before which was super firm at all times. Build was great and we came away impressed.

Went for a EV6 drive 2hrs later. Marginally better ride but cluttered inside and didn’t feel it was built any better to my eyes and touch. Boot poor.

Popped into BMW and took out an iX 40 M Sport. Quality a big jump up. Ride super smooth and control weighting all felt a big step up. So was the price and sadly the range a big step down. We’ll leave the looks as in some colours it works.

Delivery immediate for 40 but July for 50. Y is less money and more range with the S/C to add value and ease of use.

We’ll order one for next year when our lease is up in June.

But bear in mind the supercharger network is only an advantage if you’ll actually use it regularly. Tesla have already opened up a few in the UK to other manufacturers so reasonable to assume more will follow.

I’ve had a 3 and now have a Y. A minimalist interior and a big screen does not make it a good car. It’s certainly very efficient but there are very few other compelling reasons to buy a Tesla these days. In my opinion of course.

[PushedDover]

Up_North said:

But bear in mind the supercharger network is only an advantage if you’ll actually use it regularly.

I'd disagree.

It is great to know it has you covered, for occasional use. Had ours for 7 months. Covered 12,000 miles, and only used the supercharger 10 or 11 times I'd guess. But it is there when needed for the journeys with zero faff, zero wait, and fast back on the road 'range extension'