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EddieSteadyGo said:
Heres Johnny said:
10k mikes in
1 new drivers seat under warranty
Replacement seat now squeaking
Roof has cracked, no replacement glass available
Rattle in door now appeared.
They just slowly fall apart unlike any car I’ve ever owned.
At least you knew what you were getting yourself into 1 new drivers seat under warranty
Replacement seat now squeaking
Roof has cracked, no replacement glass available
Rattle in door now appeared.
They just slowly fall apart unlike any car I’ve ever owned.
On the plus side, I get a new roof next week which will hopefully also help cure the rattle from behind the headlining.
The one word of advice I would give to anyone is to drive any other make of EV around the same price when trying the Tesla if you haven't. The EV drive change is seductive over petrol and diesel, but as its like that with pretty much all of them it important to recognise whats a "Tesla thing" and whats just an "EV thing". If you still like the Tesla, then fine, I just see so many people compare their new 60k tesla to an oldish diesel and think wonderful when pretty much any 60k car, especially an EV would also be wonderful in comparison.
Agreed. However, it seems like Tesla is expensive in the UK. The prices from EUR translate directly one to one.
Just had a look on most of the continent:
(base) Model Y: ~50k EUR
GLA: ~60k EUR
In the UK they are pretty much the same.
So while there might be good alternatives in the UK, in the rest of Europe Tesla actually offers a very compelling package re price.
I still like the Korean offerings though, I would definitely check them out if I were in the market.
Just had a look on most of the continent:
(base) Model Y: ~50k EUR
GLA: ~60k EUR
In the UK they are pretty much the same.
So while there might be good alternatives in the UK, in the rest of Europe Tesla actually offers a very compelling package re price.
I still like the Korean offerings though, I would definitely check them out if I were in the market.
Heres Johnny said:
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The one word of advice I would give to anyone is to drive any other make of EV around the same price when trying the Tesla if you haven't. The EV drive change is seductive over petrol and diesel, but as its like that with pretty much all of them it important to recognise whats a "Tesla thing" and whats just an "EV thing". If you still like the Tesla, then fine, I just see so many people compare their new 60k tesla to an oldish diesel and think wonderful when pretty much any 60k car, especially an EV would also be wonderful in comparison.
+1 The one word of advice I would give to anyone is to drive any other make of EV around the same price when trying the Tesla if you haven't. The EV drive change is seductive over petrol and diesel, but as its like that with pretty much all of them it important to recognise whats a "Tesla thing" and whats just an "EV thing". If you still like the Tesla, then fine, I just see so many people compare their new 60k tesla to an oldish diesel and think wonderful when pretty much any 60k car, especially an EV would also be wonderful in comparison.
Almost 4 months and almost 3k miles into Model Y ownership.
Most of the things I love about it are common to all EVs so I echo the advice above to try them all.
I do like the amount of space it packs into a smallish footprint - this is an advantage over rivals.
My last 3 new cars were a 2016 440i GC and 2019/2020 Discovery 5s. I would say the Tesla is preferable to the 440i in many ways, the handling is way better.
The performance is strong for the money and makes a lot of things easy (such as joining a motorway or roundabout).
I miss a lot about the Land Rovers and do look forward to the day when a proper EV SUV is available (I mean something like the R1S, not a compromised space SUV such as the iX). If finances allow, I suspect an EV Discovery 6 would be the perfect forever car for me.
Totally sold on EVs as day to day transport.
Most of the things I love about it are common to all EVs so I echo the advice above to try them all.
I do like the amount of space it packs into a smallish footprint - this is an advantage over rivals.
My last 3 new cars were a 2016 440i GC and 2019/2020 Discovery 5s. I would say the Tesla is preferable to the 440i in many ways, the handling is way better.
The performance is strong for the money and makes a lot of things easy (such as joining a motorway or roundabout).
I miss a lot about the Land Rovers and do look forward to the day when a proper EV SUV is available (I mean something like the R1S, not a compromised space SUV such as the iX). If finances allow, I suspect an EV Discovery 6 would be the perfect forever car for me.
Totally sold on EVs as day to day transport.
Picked up my Tesla Y Performance just over a week ago now and thought I'd add my little feedback about it below.
Looks :
Obviously this can be very subjective, but to my eyes, the more I look at it, the more I appreciate the design and I very much like it now. At least you can tell it's a Tesla!
With the lowered ride height and big wheels, red callipers and the carbon spoiler it looks really cool.
Interior :
So glad I went for the white interior, it feels so space-age and modern bright and airy inside. The quality of the fit and finish is really good too, feels solid and after coming from a BMW 5 Series I don’t feel like it's a step down. The seats are really comfy, I’d have liked a bit more side bolstering perhaps, but that's the only thing wrong with them.
Practicality :
Wow, there's just so much space, it's a perfect car for families and I won't miss the smallish boot of the 5 Series 530e (due to batteries) and the quite narrow opening when you fold the rear seats down.
Charging :
Currently charging on the granny charger until I get the Tesla one installed, but overnight it’s fine to top it up. Have used the Tesla Superchargers in Birmingham once and it was seamless - really easy and faff free - a joy to use!
Handling & Ride :
I used to own a Mk1 Focus RS, and the way this car carries itself down the road reminds me of it. It's firm but takes the edge off the intrusions with a nice rubbery feel, as if the road has an inch thick layer of rubber over it - if that makes sense, It’s firm but supple at the same time. The steering is really quick and direct and the tyres generate masses of grip so you can really sling it through the bends. Obviously you are aware of the weight, but because it's so low down (batteries in floor pan), the car has a very low centre of gravity and hides its weight well, and is really keen and able to change direction quickly.
It’s more fun to drive than the 530e.
Acceleration :
Talking about acceleration, I secretly recorded a few family and friends whilst showing them how fast it accelerates, which I thought you'd all enjoy. Parental Advisory: Play when there's no children around as passengers can't help themselves.
https://youtu.be/tmpmhOPVlzQ
Looks :
Obviously this can be very subjective, but to my eyes, the more I look at it, the more I appreciate the design and I very much like it now. At least you can tell it's a Tesla!
With the lowered ride height and big wheels, red callipers and the carbon spoiler it looks really cool.
Interior :
So glad I went for the white interior, it feels so space-age and modern bright and airy inside. The quality of the fit and finish is really good too, feels solid and after coming from a BMW 5 Series I don’t feel like it's a step down. The seats are really comfy, I’d have liked a bit more side bolstering perhaps, but that's the only thing wrong with them.
Practicality :
Wow, there's just so much space, it's a perfect car for families and I won't miss the smallish boot of the 5 Series 530e (due to batteries) and the quite narrow opening when you fold the rear seats down.
Charging :
Currently charging on the granny charger until I get the Tesla one installed, but overnight it’s fine to top it up. Have used the Tesla Superchargers in Birmingham once and it was seamless - really easy and faff free - a joy to use!
Handling & Ride :
I used to own a Mk1 Focus RS, and the way this car carries itself down the road reminds me of it. It's firm but takes the edge off the intrusions with a nice rubbery feel, as if the road has an inch thick layer of rubber over it - if that makes sense, It’s firm but supple at the same time. The steering is really quick and direct and the tyres generate masses of grip so you can really sling it through the bends. Obviously you are aware of the weight, but because it's so low down (batteries in floor pan), the car has a very low centre of gravity and hides its weight well, and is really keen and able to change direction quickly.
It’s more fun to drive than the 530e.
Acceleration :
Talking about acceleration, I secretly recorded a few family and friends whilst showing them how fast it accelerates, which I thought you'd all enjoy. Parental Advisory: Play when there's no children around as passengers can't help themselves.
https://youtu.be/tmpmhOPVlzQ
Edited by craste on Saturday 31st December 12:49
Heres Johnny said:
The one word of advice I would give to anyone is to drive any other make of EV around the same price when trying the Tesla if you haven't. The EV drive change is seductive over petrol and diesel, but as its like that with pretty much all of them it important to recognise whats a "Tesla thing" and whats just an "EV thing". If you still like the Tesla, then fine, I just see so many people compare their new 60k tesla to an oldish diesel and think wonderful when pretty much any 60k car, especially an EV would also be wonderful in comparison.
Eruditely put.
Great dashcam responses there!!
I picked up my Model Y 2 days ago and am absolutely loving it...the acceleration is something else. Great build quality and there are so many features. The kids have been in their element, they wanted to sit in the car on the driveway last night and watch YouTube
I picked up my Model Y 2 days ago and am absolutely loving it...the acceleration is something else. Great build quality and there are so many features. The kids have been in their element, they wanted to sit in the car on the driveway last night and watch YouTube
craste said:
Talking about acceleration, I secretly recorded a few family and friends whilst showing them how fast it accelerates, which I thought you'd all enjoy. Parental Advisory: Play when there's no children around as passengers can't help themselves.
https://youtu.be/tmpmhOPVlzQ
niceWish I recorded some people, best was my colleague who sounded like she had half an orgasm followed by a lot of expletives
. In other (sad) news, man drives Model Y deliberately off a 250 ft cliff in California; all occupants survive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-6415...
Very sad for all concerned, but an impressive testament to the vehicle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-6415...
Very sad for all concerned, but an impressive testament to the vehicle.
Tesla is merely at the vanguard of what the whole automotive industry will be having to implement over the next 24 months.
We are entering a circle of self driving discounting. When new models are discounted the used values at the 3 yr end of finance stage also fall. That fall makes the finance on new more expensive as controlling and knowing the value at year 3 is critical to being able to offer competitive finance. But, at the same time, the discounting on new draws away consumers from competitors who subsequently need to discount to stem that flow and so the cycle continues.
Add in the EV element where manufacturers in key sales markets must sell a minimum of vehicles v ICE and we have a new factor in driving a downward spiral of values.
What should be concerning to all is that it is starting with Tesla as that is one of the most desirable brands for consumers to rent an association to andnit shows that that endnof the consumer market has been decimated already by the rises in the cost of living that don't impact the affluent. For example, they don't look to have cut prices heavily in Switzerland etc.
The key though is that this isn't a Tesla issue. It's a global issue for all car manufacturers and it just happens that Tesla is the vanguard because of its premium pricing but less affluent consumer base compared to other manufacturers at the same price point. This is happening to all manufacturers of all types of car. And while Tesla may be at the vanguard it has about the fattest margins with which to fight a discounting war so one can argue that it will benefit both from reacting to the change in consumer spending power first and being able to discount deeper than others if needs be to take more customers.
We are entering a circle of self driving discounting. When new models are discounted the used values at the 3 yr end of finance stage also fall. That fall makes the finance on new more expensive as controlling and knowing the value at year 3 is critical to being able to offer competitive finance. But, at the same time, the discounting on new draws away consumers from competitors who subsequently need to discount to stem that flow and so the cycle continues.
Add in the EV element where manufacturers in key sales markets must sell a minimum of vehicles v ICE and we have a new factor in driving a downward spiral of values.
What should be concerning to all is that it is starting with Tesla as that is one of the most desirable brands for consumers to rent an association to andnit shows that that endnof the consumer market has been decimated already by the rises in the cost of living that don't impact the affluent. For example, they don't look to have cut prices heavily in Switzerland etc.
The key though is that this isn't a Tesla issue. It's a global issue for all car manufacturers and it just happens that Tesla is the vanguard because of its premium pricing but less affluent consumer base compared to other manufacturers at the same price point. This is happening to all manufacturers of all types of car. And while Tesla may be at the vanguard it has about the fattest margins with which to fight a discounting war so one can argue that it will benefit both from reacting to the change in consumer spending power first and being able to discount deeper than others if needs be to take more customers.
DonkeyApple said:
Tesla is merely at the vanguard of what the whole automotive industry will be having to implement over the next 24 months.
We are entering a circle of self driving discounting. When new models are discounted the used values at the 3 yr end of finance stage also fall. That fall makes the finance on new more expensive as controlling and knowing the value at year 3 is critical to being able to offer competitive finance. But, at the same time, the discounting on new draws away consumers from competitors who subsequently need to discount to stem that flow and so the cycle continues.
Add in the EV element where manufacturers in key sales markets must sell a minimum of vehicles v ICE and we have a new factor in driving a downward spiral of values.
What should be concerning to all is that it is starting with Tesla as that is one of the most desirable brands for consumers to rent an association to andnit shows that that endnof the consumer market has been decimated already by the rises in the cost of living that don't impact the affluent. For example, they don't look to have cut prices heavily in Switzerland etc.
The key though is that this isn't a Tesla issue. It's a global issue for all car manufacturers and it just happens that Tesla is the vanguard because of its premium pricing but less affluent consumer base compared to other manufacturers at the same price point. This is happening to all manufacturers of all types of car. And while Tesla may be at the vanguard it has about the fattest margins with which to fight a discounting war so one can argue that it will benefit both from reacting to the change in consumer spending power first and being able to discount deeper than others if needs be to take more customers.
Or simply Teslas production capacity growth is far more than their sales growth. Those that look behind “2022 deliveries” for Tesla and delve into lead time reductions over the year have seen a massive reduction in backlog, Teslas issue stated 9 months ago. We are entering a circle of self driving discounting. When new models are discounted the used values at the 3 yr end of finance stage also fall. That fall makes the finance on new more expensive as controlling and knowing the value at year 3 is critical to being able to offer competitive finance. But, at the same time, the discounting on new draws away consumers from competitors who subsequently need to discount to stem that flow and so the cycle continues.
Add in the EV element where manufacturers in key sales markets must sell a minimum of vehicles v ICE and we have a new factor in driving a downward spiral of values.
What should be concerning to all is that it is starting with Tesla as that is one of the most desirable brands for consumers to rent an association to andnit shows that that endnof the consumer market has been decimated already by the rises in the cost of living that don't impact the affluent. For example, they don't look to have cut prices heavily in Switzerland etc.
The key though is that this isn't a Tesla issue. It's a global issue for all car manufacturers and it just happens that Tesla is the vanguard because of its premium pricing but less affluent consumer base compared to other manufacturers at the same price point. This is happening to all manufacturers of all types of car. And while Tesla may be at the vanguard it has about the fattest margins with which to fight a discounting war so one can argue that it will benefit both from reacting to the change in consumer spending power first and being able to discount deeper than others if needs be to take more customers.
If you’re still production constrained you’ll not drop your prices.
Heres Johnny said:
Or simply Teslas production capacity growth is far more than their sales growth. Those that look behind “2022 deliveries” for Tesla and delve into lead time reductions over the year have seen a massive reduction in backlog, Teslas issue stated 9 months ago.
If you’re still production constrained you’ll not drop your prices.
That will be a factor but you can tie their demand decline point in with the other apex consumer sell-offs of last year, including their own share price etc. If you’re still production constrained you’ll not drop your prices.
The market will absorb their increased supply levels but after the change in consumer purchasing power it has to be at lower prices and I think you're right that an additional factor is also going to be the supply increase for Tesla but everyone at this price point and around it is going to go through the same.
ZesPak said:
45k is ridiculous value now though if you look at the competition. That's a mildly equipped ID4...
Yes and VW have just put their prices up!!£37k ID4 base spec, 52kw battery, 220 miles range has now increased to £38.9k
The bigger battery (330 miles) ID4 base spec is £44.6k which is basically the same price as a MY SR now (280 miles) and while the MY SR has less range on paper, it can be charged to 100% all the time with no issues, plus it has a lot more passenger and boot space, and more spec. ID4 is much better looking though IMO
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